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Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 01:00 pm
Scandinavian groups give Apple more time
The consumer protection agencies in Norway, Sweden and Denmark said on Wednesday they will give Apple Computer until Aug. 1 to reply to their claims that the iTunes music store and service operates in violation of Scandinavian consumer laws, according to Reuters.The previous deadline required Apple to respond by June 21st, the report notes.
In the letter sent to Apple last week, the Scandinavian agencies claimed the company's standard customer contract violated Norwegian law and is clearly unbalanced, disadvantaging the customer.
Specifically, it alleged that customers have to relinquish fundamental rights, such as the right to freely use legally bought products, in order to download music from iTunes.
The agencies are demanding that Apple make a number of changes to its customer contracts, such as allowing songs purchased from its iTunes to be played on competitors' devices.
If a court finds Apple guilty, the company could face fines and be required to shut its Norwegian iTunes store.
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2006/06/14 02:45pm
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The agencies are demanding that Apple make a number of changes to its customer contracts, such as allowing songs purchased from its iTunes to be played on competitors' devices.
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The agencies are demanding that Apple make a number of changes to its customer contracts, such as allowing songs purchased from its iTunes to be played on competitors' devices.
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Somebody buy me a ticket to Norway and I'll show those ole Viking legislators how to take a $0.15 CD and use Apple's own iTunes to create files that you can play on any player you want to.
2006/06/14 02:52pm
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Originally posted by coxnvox
Somebody buy me a ticket to Norway and I'll show those ole Viking legislators how to take a $0.15 CD and use Apple's own iTunes to create files that you can play on any player you want to.
Somebody buy me a ticket to Norway and I'll show those ole Viking legislators how to take a $0.15 CD and use Apple's own iTunes to create files that you can play on any player you want to.
I agree..but does anyone still think this is about DRM? Its about hating Apple plain and simple.
2006/06/14 03:11pm
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Originally posted by McHuman
I agree..but does anyone still think this is about DRM? Its about hating Apple plain and simple.
I agree..but does anyone still think this is about DRM? Its about hating Apple plain and simple.
Yep. This won't be the last court battle over Apple's successes, either. That's the curse of being the top dog in a very lucrative market.
It'll be interesting to see how all this pans out compared to the court battles over Microsoft's dominance a few years ago (remember how they were talking about forcing MS to split into multiple companies?). The two situations seem to be similar in some ways.
2006/06/14 03:13pm
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Originally posted by coxnvox
Somebody buy me a ticket to Norway and I'll show those ole Viking legislators how to take a $0.15 CD and use Apple's own iTunes to create files that you can play on any player you want to.
Somebody buy me a ticket to Norway and I'll show those ole Viking legislators how to take a $0.15 CD and use Apple's own iTunes to create files that you can play on any player you want to.
Looks like someone always brings this up, and I guess I've taken the job putting this in perspective... You aren't completely wrong, but you might not be as right as you think.
Once you burn DRM-protected iTunes music to CD, you are now limited to CD players as a playback device. If you want to open up the use of other non-Apple devices, like other portable players, car MP3 players, SoundBridge, Squeezebox, etc., or if you simply want to use Apple hardware and not have the hassles of authorizing and deauthoring systems, you have to re-rip the CD you burned.
What happens then? (1) You lose sound quality, a lot in fact if you compress your re-ripped music back down to 128 AAC kbps just like your original purchase, (2) you lose no sound quality, but have to deal with a MUCH bigger file (about 6 times bigger if you use Apple Lossless or FLAC), or (3) some in-between compromise, like re-compressing back down to 192 kbps -- a 50% larger file, not so much loss of sound quality.
The very fact you have to burn a CD and re-rip it to get portability across devices, even apart from the above sound quality/file size penalties, creates an artificial barrier to competition. The DRM which is supposed to serve the purpose of protecting copyright of the content being sold -- the music itself -- is being misused to protect a particular line of products and a particular distribution method.
2006/06/14 04:15pm
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Originally posted by coxnvox
Somebody buy me a ticket to Norway and I'll show those ole Viking legislators how to take a $0.15 CD and use Apple's own iTunes to create files that you can play on any player you want to.
Somebody buy me a ticket to Norway and I'll show those ole Viking legislators how to take a $0.15 CD and use Apple's own iTunes to create files that you can play on any player you want to.
The DRM is not all of the problem as far as I got it. At least the Swedish agency are reacting to the freedoms Apple are taking in the EULA which says that they might change the contract at any time without prior notice, and the fact that Apple takes no responsibility for direct damages caused by the iTMS and the media.
2006/06/14 04:46pm
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Originally posted by McHuman
I agree..but does anyone still think this is about DRM? Its about hating Apple plain and simple.
I agree..but does anyone still think this is about DRM? Its about hating Apple plain and simple.
Glad to see an unbiased opinion. I for one hope that Apple loses. I will not buy products with DRM on them, because many have clauses that allow them to change the license restrictions at any time in the future even if you bought the product previously, I personally see this as unacceptable that a company can change it's agreement after you've already purchased a product. While Apple offers one of the better DRM's it still has that option to change it's terms later on. DRM isn't about stopping illegal file sharing it's about having to rebuy all of your media every time you want to use it on a different player.
2006/06/14 05:06pm
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Originally posted by Zandros
At least the Swedish agency are reacting to the freedoms Apple are taking in the EULA which says that they might change the contract at any time without prior notice, and the fact that Apple takes no responsibility for direct damages caused by the iTMS and the media.
At least the Swedish agency are reacting to the freedoms Apple are taking in the EULA which says that they might change the contract at any time without prior notice, and the fact that Apple takes no responsibility for direct damages caused by the iTMS and the media.
This is a pretty important point. The EULA allows Apple to change the terms after purchase without recourse, which Apple has done. That gives me another reason to not use their service, because I don't think that is something a legitimate or ethical business would do.
2006/06/14 07:52pm
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Originally posted by jamezog
Yep. This won't be the last court battle over Apple's successes, either. That's the curse of being the top dog in a very lucrative market.
Yep. This won't be the last court battle over Apple's successes, either. That's the curse of being the top dog in a very lucrative market.
Wrong! You need to get your facts straight.
Apple is not "top dog" in Europe; the iPod and iTMS don't have anywhere near the dominance that they do in the U.S.
Also, this is not just about DRM (and it creeps me out a little how much Apple fans seem to have no problem with DRM), it is also about Apple being able to change the terms of use of the product (iTMS tracks) after you've bought them, and that they disclaim any responsibility for iTunes causing damage or data loss.
2006/06/14 10:16pm
Are any other companies selling DRM-encumbered files being questioned as well? Or are there no other online stores in these countries? Surely the terms and conditions have more to do with the record companies interests, and hence all online stores would have similar conditons
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If a court finds Apple guilty, the company could face fines and be required to shut its Norwegian iTunes store.
Seems like the Norwegians could be getting more than they asked for.