These jail breakers are the root cause for all of our network problems. Just 3% of the users account for 40% of the data traffic on the 3G network (according to a recent AT&T finding). I wonder who these users are?....maybe the jail breakers?!?!?!?!

They install illegal Apps (slingbox, etc) and illegally rob the bandwidth from the rest of us. I can't check my email because the guy next to me is watching hours worth of TV shows.

This wouldn't be necessary if Apple ran an open platform and allowed people to install whatever they liked ON THEIR OWN HARDWARE.

Apple brought jailbreaking upon themselves, and long may it continue.

I'm sorry its early and I have a bit of a stomach cold but is this hyperbole or do you actually believe that load of nonsense?

I agree with kotatsu. Apple would have a much stronger leg to stand on anti-piracy wise if there were ways for me to run my own code on my own device. However, since I don't have any of my own code, I don't really care about jailbreaking one way or the other. I don't think this boot loader update is going to stop things in the long run.

There is no way for AT&T to determine if an Iphone is jailbroken or not and whether the app using bandwidth was purchase or not. What AT&T is say which is the case even for computer and the internet, it is only a small % of the users who actually use most of the bandwidth. Their concerns are what happen if this trend changes and a larger % start using more bandwidth.

BTW the same was true 20 yrs again what only a small % use most of the phone bandwidth. Phone networks were only designed to handle 1/3 of all the possible calls if everyone tried making a call at once.

It's easy to install your own code, just install the provisioning profile on your phone (and up to 100 others). Your own apps don't need to abide by the App Store rules!

The only reason I have an iPhone (bought at an Apple store) is because of hacker tools that allowed me to do a Carrier Unlock.

I don't really care about jail-breaking as there's enough varied free software on the App Store, and I've bought several apps but stick mostly in that .99 cent range so they're benefiting. The Carrier is also benefiting as instead of the pay as you go plan, I've graduated to a monthly one with a texting plan, etc.

You'd think that Apple/Carriers in some ways benefits more than it doesn't from hacking?

The question now, is how long will it take hacker to find a new work around.....

Actually this is bigger issue here for apple then piracy, large corporation will not deploy the iPhone as corporate device if they feel that is can be easily hacked and non-authorized code loaded on the phone. Unless Apple can shut this down there is no way they will get this corporate accounts. It is more about security then the actual piracy since they is a small % of most of the users doing it.

Depends on what you're after. If you're willing to spend $99/year you can run whatever you want on your own device(s). But that's not a cheap solution and not a route most people are willing to go down.

I agree with you that it's ridiculous that people who tether (or jailbreak and use the devices for unapproved purposes) can destroy the network. Especially given that AT&T sells devices that tether.

The truth of the matter is that AT&T is a victim of the iPhone's success. It's actually _being used_.

How wold an open network prevent a subset of users from using too much bandwidth and affecting the quality of service for everyone else?

Warning - analogy to follow -

I suppose you think if some people want to get on the public highways and drive 150 miles an hour they should be allowed to - the roadways and the vehicles are certainly capable of supporting such a speed. Why should the government artificially restrict us all to 65 mph or so? Hmm, could it be that for EVERYONE on the road to travel safely that there must be some set of rules that we all abide by?

But in Germany you can drive as fast as you want on the autobahn- well no actually you cannot in all locations at all times - and it takes a long time and a lot of cash to even get a driver's license in Germany.

end analogy

Yeah I know that analogy is full of holes etc - but as I was reading that post it struck me that as painful as it might be to some users (those who want to go 150 mph) how much more painful would it be for everyone f there were no rules at all? (and you end up with major accidents and the resulting death and destruction).

Which is not to say that I am against Apple and or AT&T opening things more and making improvements etc - or that we should sit idly by and wait for them to provide something without being asked to do so. What I am thinking is more along the lines of - if they did not have to spend time fighting unauthorized use perhaps they could spend more time on getting the job done.

You are so full of crap. No one is ILLEGALLY stealing bandwidth, they're using the bandwidth that they PAID FOR. To be stealing they would have to trick the network into not tacking their usage which can't be done from the phone. I also think AT&T is lying about the 3%/40% issue.

On the other hand AT&T as NOT properly designed their network so they could handle the traffic. To top it off AT&T ILLEGALLY steals money because everyone has to pay for 3G service even when you live in an area that does not have 3G service. Have you noticed that AT&T won't show you a 3G map anymore? Why, because they don't want you to see how few areas have 3G service. Verizon has a point with their latest commercial showing the AT&T 3G map.