The Lindholm draft
Oracle has put forth drafts of an email by Google engineer Tim Lindholm as a vital piece of evidence that the company knew it needed to license Java from Oracle when it was developing Android.
"What we've actually been asked to do (by [Google founders] Larry [Page] and Sergey [Brin]) is to investigate what technical alternatives exist to Java for Android and Chrome," Lindholm wrote. "We've been over a bunch of these, and think they all suck. We conclude that we need to negotiate a license for Java under the terms we need."
Google had previously sought to have the email suppressed due to attorney-client privilege, but the judge on the case denied the request.
The email is apparently so damning that the judge claimed "a good trial lawyer would just need that document 'and the Magna Carta' (arguably the origin of common law) to win this case on Oracle's behalf and have Google found to infringe Oracle's rights willfully," as reported by Florian Mueller of FOSS Patents
When questioned in court by an Oracle attorney on Thursday, Lindholm said he did not mean that Google should get a license from Sun, The Wall Street Journal reports.
"It was not specifically a license from anybody," he said.
The engineer's defense, however, is not helped by the fact that he served as one of the original developers of Java at Sun before joining Google in 2005. Oracle acquired Sun, and the rights to Java, in 2010. Lindholm did admit that he worked on Google's negotiations with Sun at one point because of his background with Java, but he added that most of his work has actually been focused on Google's data centers, rather than Android.
I don't recall
Joshua Bloch, informally known as Google's Chief Java Architect, also served as a witness at the trial on Thursday. Oracle questioned Bloch on whether he had copied nine lines of "rangeCheck" code that he had contributed to Android from his previous work at Sun, as noted by The Verge.
"I don't recall," Bloch testified. However, he suggested in a deposition from 2011 that the fact that the code is in the same order and has the same name is "a strong indicator that it is likely" that he did copy the code. Bloch went on to say that he doesn't remember accessing copyrighted code, but that it might have happened.
"Under the circumstances I wrote the code, yes, I'm perfectly willing to believe it," he said. "If I did, it was a mistake, and I'm sorry I did it."
Google claims to have created a "clean room" for its engineers as they were developing Android. It's not clear, though, how Google would have created a clean environment for an engineer who had written the code himself.
"According to Bloch, nobody at Google ever spoke with him about whether it was appropriate for him to work on Android given his prior employment at Sun," the report read.
Google removed the code in question from Android with the release of version 4.0 of its software.
Oracle has sought an injunction against Android, claiming it is an "incompatible clone of Java." The company had previously argued for billions of dollars in damages from Google, but it has since lowered its demands.
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1) Talk about damning evidence; this is not looking for Google.
2) When do Google's lawyers use the Infinite Monkey Theorem to claim that while implausible it's possible he could write the same code at times? Is it before or after the Chewbacca Defense?
How can he not remember?
Wow new look. Different but I will adapt. Cool.
hmm, I've been reading through some of the Verge articles on this. From my understanding:
The trial is broken in 3 phases,
Phase 1 deals with copyrights
Phase 2 deals with patents
Phase 3 deals with damages
We're in phase 1 right now. The basis of Oracle's claim is that Google copied 37 Java APIs that they have a copyright to. Google is claiming that because the Java language is open source, and because those 37 APIs are essential to it, that they should be open source as well.
IANAL, but to me, but it seems Oracle has the favorable position here; although I understand the reasoning behind Google's claims as well.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
edit: apparently UBB code doesn't work here anymore.
Why would they use the Chewbacca defence?
I mean, it just doesn't make sense.
Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense.
So, why would they use it?
They won't use it.
Ladies and gentlemen of the forum, I rest my case.