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Apple takes fight to Google, wants Android source code in Samsung lawsuit

The week has seen new turns in Apple's ongoing patent-based struggle against Google's Android operating system, as the iPhone maker attempted to pull the search giant deeper into the proceedings in one case while trying to keep Google out of the mix in another.

Apple on Wednesday asked U.S. Magistrate Judge Paul. S. Grewal to force Google to hand over information on the code powering Android, as reported by Bloomberg. Apple says that the information is necessary, given that Samsung — the defendant in the case — makes devices that run Google's operating system. According to Apple, Google has been less than forthcoming in turning over court-ordered information on Android.

"It's a question of transparency," said Apple attorney Mark Lyon. "We have concerns that they're not doing a full search."

At issue is not only the court-ordered Android code, but also the means by which Google is going about searching for the code. Apple contends that Google should turn over a wider swath of code in order to ensure that any possibly infringing data is accessible in the trial. Google, though, holds Apple is overstepping its bounds in asking for such a wide berth.

Google lawyer Matthew Warren says that Apple made a "strategic decision" to leave Google out of its complaint against Samsung. Turning over the search terms Google is using to go through its code, Warren says, could lead to "future discovery that we don't think they're entitled to," giving Apple "ideas about how to proceed that they wouldn't have had."

The case in question is Apple's second patent suit against Samsung in the United States. The other case, the one in which Apple won a $1.05 billion verdict, also saw developments recently.

Tuesday saw Apple file a document in opposition (via CNN Money) to Google and other companies move to file an amicus brief in support of Samsung. Google, HTC, Rackspace Hosting, Red Hat, and SAP America would sign the brief, but Apple protests that Google's inclusion would be improper for the court to accept.

Amicus curiae briefs, Apple contends, are traditionally filed by impartial friends of the court. Google's role as the developer of the Android operating system that powers Samsung's devices, Apple says, gives it "a direct interest in the outcome of this appeal."

In much of Apple's legal struggle against Android handset manufacturers, Google has played a peripheral role. Apple has neglected to name Google as a defendant, preferring instead to seek damages from individual device makers. Despite the billion dollar verdict against Samsung, Apple has yet to see any money from the decision and, like most other smartphone manufacturers, has little to show for its years-long patent struggles.



28 Comments

jungmark 13 Years · 6927 comments

Pass the popcorn. Isn't Android open? Can't they just download the code? /s

bleh1234 12 Years · 146 comments

Maybe apple wants the code to the core services.

ericthehalfbee 13 Years · 4489 comments

[quote name="jungmark" url="/t/157418/apple-takes-fight-to-google-wants-android-source-code-in-samsung-lawsuit#post_2323712"]Pass the popcorn. Isn't Android open? Can't they just download the code? /s[/quote] Exactly. That's because only portions of Android are open, not everything. Googles keeps a firm grip on Android.

mstone 18 Years · 11503 comments

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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee 

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Originally Posted by jungmark 

Pass the popcorn. Isn't Android open? Can't they just download the code? /s
Exactly. That's because only portions of Android are open, not everything. Googles keeps a firm grip on Android.

Android itself is open source. There are some closed aspects as you mention, primarily the hardware drivers and of course Google Play, which is a closed proprietary application and service. Apple could easily download the source code for Android (4.1 at this point in time) but in order for it to be admitted into evidence I believe it needs to be handed over to the court by Google themselves.

 

Edit: typo

charlituna 16 Years · 7217 comments

[quote name="mstone" url="/t/157418/apple-takes-fight-to-google-wants-android-source-code-in-samsung-lawsuit#post_2323739"]Apple could easily download the source code for Android but in order for it to be admitted into evidence I believe it needs to be handed over to the court by Google themselves. [/quote] I believe that is correct. A solution to this would be to order them to hand it over to the court, and then a designated 3rd party will analyze the code and determine what from the Samsung phones is unique to Samsung and what is from Android. And then anything that isn't pertinent to the discussion will be excised. And all parties get the details about what was found so they can question, defend etc. Seems fair that if Samsung is trying to use 'that's just part of Android' as a defense then Apple should get to see the data. As it sounds like Samsung is. I have a feeling that Apple has downloaded the code and thus they know there are bits they haven't been given that apply. So this request could be part of a strategy. Once they have given Google and Samsung a change to properly pony up there might be a way in court where they can use the omissions against the companies.