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M4 Mac mini was almost even smaller, but design compromises were made

The M4 Mac mini [middle] between an older Mac mini [below] and an Apple TV [above]

The redesign of the M4 Mac mini could've been even smaller, Apple executives have admitted, but there were quite a few tradeoffs needed to produce the best version yet.

Apple's revamp of the Mac mini with the M4 and M4 Pro chip led to a much more compact design with quite a few physical changes. Aside from size, it also saw a shift of ports to the front, as well as the under-mounted power button.

In talking about the redesign effort to Fast Company, Apple VP of hardware engineering Kate Bergeron and Mac marketing's Sophie Le Guen explained that it was a balancing act.

"Mac Mini holds a special place in our hearts," Bergeron said. "This product is an incredibly important part of the Mac lineup, and we didn't want to do it a disservice by not spending the time we needed to make it great."

Likening it to a three-legged stool that needed changes in multiple areas simultaneously to remain balanced, Bergeron offers that the needs of Apple Silicon were the first consideration. The team first asked what kind of Mac mini was needed that was optimized around Apple Silicon, while also balancing user performance and design expectations.

Not too small

Initially, designers brought "something that's probably too small to get where we want," Bergeron states, based on the expectations that the Mac mini would be both small and versatile. "But that's their job - to challenge us in the physical space."

The inclusion of an M4 Pro variant meant the design needed to include improved cooling, which also fed into acoustic considerations. "We probably could have been even more aggressive [with the smaller size of the Mac mini] if we decided to only design for M4," Bergeron admits, adding that it was important to design for pro customers as well.

The vice president continued "We have to bundle all of those [considerations] together and do a lot of negotiating with the design team to figure out where we'll land."

Port placement

As part of the negotiation, there was also an opportunity to make a change to the port structure, departing from the usual rear-only port collection. Le Guen pointed to two key reasons for the change.

The first was the Mac Studio, deemed a design success while also being the first Mac desktop to use front-facing ports since the 2012 Mac Pro. The other was user feedback.

Some people would change the orientation of the device so that they could have easy access to each of the [rear USB] ports," outlines Le Guen. "That led to [us saying], Let's listen to the users and ensure that we are offering the convenience they're looking for.'"

While users did ask for the ability to upgrade storage, the modular version in the New Mac mini is actually for a different reason. The modular storage was to help create "flexibility in manufacturing" according to Bergeron.

The tight constraints of the Mac mini's internals mean "there's not enough room on the main logic board to put the storage right on the board" for larger storage configurations, Bergeron explains.

As for the power button's underside positioning, it was also a compromise in design. Bergeron defends the position as offering "pretty good access" to the button, and that since users often put their Mac to sleep, "it's very rare to use the power button."

"The versatility of having all of those [new front-facing USB] ports we though was really [more] important."

Environmental innovation

The model is the first carbon-neutral Mac in Apple's history, one which also relies on lots of recycled metals. In addition to using 100% recycled zinc and recycled copper in its internal components, as well as 80% recycled steel for the Apple logo for the first time, there was also a big change in the enclosure's production.

The enclosure is made from extruded aluminum, just like earlier models, which are cut to length. This was previously cut by a manufacturing saw with a 3-millimeter thickness, which led to unusable shavings of about the same thickness.

To minimize these shavings, a new cutting system was created using a diamond-plated nylon wire, measuring fractions of a millimeter thick. The change allowed for more material to be retained instead of being wasted as shavings.

A long term change?

When turning to the future of the model, the pair aren't willing to comment about the product roadmap, as usual. However, Bergeron is hopeful that the design will be around for quite some time, like the previous iteration.

"We wanted to make sure that we're going to give customers value for many years to come. And we'll see where the vision takes us next time."



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tht 24 Years · 5671 comments

To minimize these shavings, a new cutting system was created using a diamond-plated nylon wire, measuring fractions of a millimeter thick.Wow!

This brought scifi, cyberpunk visions of nano-wire weapons. Maybe the most well-known live action version of this is from Johnny Mnemonic. A sub 1mm thick nylon wire capable of cutting aluminum is a "wow!". It has diamonds on it, but it is nylon! You'd think it was just melt from the friction of cutting metal.

For the Mac mini, the M4 Pro version is a bit overstuffed right now. They do have a path forward. I don't think Apple is using GaN in any of its AC/DC power supplies yet. Once they switch to that, it probably reduces the thickness of the current Mac Mini power supply, and could let them use bigger NAND daughterboards and increase the size of the copper heatsink on the bottom.

Have to wonder how tempted they were with making a "slab" form factor? 0.5" thick. About 4" x 12" planform.

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rob53 14 Years · 3318 comments

tht said:
To minimize these shavings, a new cutting system was created using a diamond-plated nylon wire, measuring fractions of a millimeter thick.
...
Have to wonder how tempted they were with making a "slab" form factor? 0.5" thick. About 4" x 12" planform.

A 4x12 "box" is large to me. That's like cutting an iPad in half and gluing the two pieces together. I can understand the inclusion of the power supply in the tiny box because we've already seen companies adjusting their server racks for the smaller footprint. Having an external power supply would create an unnecessary extra piece the server farms would have to deal with. I see the M4 mini as a perfect size (2x5x5). Three quarters of the interior is the power supply and fan so the motherboard is very compact. Anything more compact gets a bit ridiculous. I've seen people attach the 4 mini to the back of a display, saving space but I'd rather have the mini on the desktop close to peripherals. 

Of course I'm tired of Apple's base model being worthless. They're simply forcing people to get a more expensive, grossly up-charged, device. The mini is not the entry level desktop, the iMac is. The mini still requires a keyboard, mouse and display (which Apple refuses to make that's less expensive than a realistic mini). How much does the iMac display and housing cost Apple? The base iMac costs $1300 so remove the motherboard ($500) and you have at most an $800 4.5K monitor. If Apple would quit charging an arm and a leg for upgrades, a very capable M4 mini (16GB/512GB storage) should only cost $650 (base is $599). We all know low capacity SSDs are almost free.

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tht 24 Years · 5671 comments

rob53 said:
tht said:
To minimize these shavings, a new cutting system was created using a diamond-plated nylon wire, measuring fractions of a millimeter thick.
...
Have to wonder how tempted they were with making a "slab" form factor? 0.5" thick. About 4" x 12" planform.
A 4x12 "box" is large to me. That's like cutting an iPad in half and gluing the two pieces together. I can understand the inclusion of the power supply in the tiny box because we've already seen companies adjusting their server racks for the smaller footprint. Having an external power supply would create an unnecessary extra piece the server farms would have to deal with. I see the M4 mini as a perfect size (2x5x5). Three quarters of the interior is the power supply and fan so the motherboard is very compact. Anything more compact gets a bit ridiculous. I've seen people attach the 4 mini to the back of a display, saving space but I'd rather have the mini on the desktop close to peripherals. 

I was just thinking about taking a logic board from the MBP14, and putting it in a case, which would be about 4 x 12 x 0.5 inch3. It’s half the volume of the M4 Mac mini. And I added a couple of inches for a GaN power supply. 


Ultimately, Apple probably thinks a desktop should be a desktop. The slab is easy to slip into a back pack, easier to put into a 1U rack unit, but those are not good reasons and make it a worse desktop. A mini Mac Studio block form factor is a great form to sit on a desk. 

If they are willing to not include a power supply, just wrap a case around the iPP11 logic board. That would be something like 2 x 8 x 0.25 inch3. Just a blade of a device that could be USB-PD powered. 

With Apple Silicon, Apple has so many options and they have said no so many times. An Apple TV with an A18 Pro, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB for $300 would make for a very interesting Mac or Apple TV! And they can probably cut half the height if it was USB-PD powered. 

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rob53 14 Years · 3318 comments

tht said:
rob53 said:
tht said:
To minimize these shavings, a new cutting system was created using a diamond-plated nylon wire, measuring fractions of a millimeter thick.
...
Have to wonder how tempted they were with making a "slab" form factor? 0.5" thick. About 4" x 12" planform.
A 4x12 "box" is large to me. That's like cutting an iPad in half and gluing the two pieces together. I can understand the inclusion of the power supply in the tiny box because we've already seen companies adjusting their server racks for the smaller footprint. Having an external power supply would create an unnecessary extra piece the server farms would have to deal with. I see the M4 mini as a perfect size (2x5x5). Three quarters of the interior is the power supply and fan so the motherboard is very compact. Anything more compact gets a bit ridiculous. I've seen people attach the 4 mini to the back of a display, saving space but I'd rather have the mini on the desktop close to peripherals. 
I was just thinking about taking a logic board from the MBP14, and putting it in a case, which would be about 4 x 12 x 0.5 inch3. It’s half the volume of the M4 Mac mini. And I added a couple of inches for a GaN power supply. 
Ultimately, Apple probably thinks a desktop should be a desktop. The slab is easy to slip into a back pack, easier to put into a 1U rack unit, but those are not good reasons and make it a worse desktop. A mini Mac Studio block form factor is a great form to sit on a desk. 

If they are willing to not include a power supply, just wrap a case around the iPP11 logic board. That would be something like 2 x 8 x 0.25 inch3. Just a blade of a device that could be USB-PD powered. 

With Apple Silicon, Apple has so many options and they have said no so many times. An Apple TV with an A18 Pro, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB for $300 would make for a very interesting Mac or Apple TV! And they can probably cut half the height if it was USB-PD powered. 

Have you looked at iFixit's M4 Mac mini teardown? The motherboard is essentially 5x5 by the height of the ports plus the space needed for the heatsink and fan assembly. In a MBP, the fan assembly is to the side of the motherboard. In your configuration, you need to make allowances for the fan and heatsink or it will simply burn up. I haven't found thickness dimensions on the M4 mini (yet) so I'm not sure how much room each major component takes. I also forgot about the base that includes the WiFi antennas, something you'd need to include in your slab form idea. Of course, in a server farm, you don't need WiFi. One of the largest "ports" on any computer can be the power cord. Watching iFixit's youtube video shows a view of the power port being the same height as the RJ45 ethernet port. I know how big those are (13-16 mm plus pin height). That forces the motherboard without heatsink to be at least 1/2" thick, probably more like 3/4" thick. I could see taking an M4 mini apart and laying the motherboard alongside the power supply. That would give me something like 5x10x1" thick including everything. This configuration could easily fit into a display base.

tht 24 Years · 5671 comments

rob53 said:
tht said:
rob53 said:
tht said:
To minimize these shavings, a new cutting system was created using a diamond-plated nylon wire, measuring fractions of a millimeter thick.
...
Have to wonder how tempted they were with making a "slab" form factor? 0.5" thick. About 4" x 12" planform.
A 4x12 "box" is large to me. That's like cutting an iPad in half and gluing the two pieces together. I can understand the inclusion of the power supply in the tiny box because we've already seen companies adjusting their server racks for the smaller footprint. Having an external power supply would create an unnecessary extra piece the server farms would have to deal with. I see the M4 mini as a perfect size (2x5x5). Three quarters of the interior is the power supply and fan so the motherboard is very compact. Anything more compact gets a bit ridiculous. I've seen people attach the 4 mini to the back of a display, saving space but I'd rather have the mini on the desktop close to peripherals. 
I was just thinking about taking a logic board from the MBP14, and putting it in a case, which would be about 4 x 12 x 0.5 inch3. It’s half the volume of the M4 Mac mini. And I added a couple of inches for a GaN power supply. 
Ultimately, Apple probably thinks a desktop should be a desktop. The slab is easy to slip into a back pack, easier to put into a 1U rack unit, but those are not good reasons and make it a worse desktop. A mini Mac Studio block form factor is a great form to sit on a desk. 

If they are willing to not include a power supply, just wrap a case around the iPP11 logic board. That would be something like 2 x 8 x 0.25 inch3. Just a blade of a device that could be USB-PD powered. 

With Apple Silicon, Apple has so many options and they have said no so many times. An Apple TV with an A18 Pro, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB for $300 would make for a very interesting Mac or Apple TV! And they can probably cut half the height if it was USB-PD powered. 
Have you looked at iFixit's M4 Mac mini teardown? The motherboard is essentially 5x5 by the height of the ports plus the space needed for the heatsink and fan assembly. In a MBP, the fan assembly is to the side of the motherboard. In your configuration, you need to make allowances for the fan and heatsink or it will simply burn up. I haven't found thickness dimensions on the M4 mini (yet) so I'm not sure how much room each major component takes. I also forgot about the base that includes the WiFi antennas, something you'd need to include in your slab form idea. Of course, in a server farm, you don't need WiFi. One of the largest "ports" on any computer can be the power cord. Watching iFixit's youtube video shows a view of the power port being the same height as the RJ45 ethernet port. I know how big those are (13-16 mm plus pin height). That forces the motherboard without heatsink to be at least 1/2" thick, probably more like 3/4" thick. I could see taking an M4 mini apart and laying the motherboard alongside the power supply. That would give me something like 5x10x1" thick including everything. This configuration could easily fit into a display base.

The MBP is 0.61" H x 12.31" W x 8.71" D. About 0.25" of the thickness is the display and the keyboard, leaving about 0.4" for the computing components. This includes the fans, heat sinks, logic board, batteries and speakers. The batteries and speakers take up have the base.

So something like 0.5 x 4 x 12 inch3 should be able to fit all of the Mac mini components, especially if you only need to use 1 fan, while the M4 Pro MBP uses 2 fans. In place of removing one of the fans, you place a power supply. The big issue is that power supply components are not smaller than 0.5 inches thickness for a 150 W power supply. Likely doable for 80 to 100 power supply, but 150 W is pretty double. That's why I kept on mentioning a GaN power supply, and hoping its components are smaller.

I think the A/C type A power port should fit on a device that is 0.5" thick. This is the one used in the Mac mini and Apple TV. Ethernet? Maybe? But I am find without Ethernet as long as it has enough TB/USB ports.

Yes, a M4 Mac mini will most certainly fit in a 5 x 10 x 1 inch3 volume. That's identical volume to the 5 x 5 x 2 form factor. You could probably cut it down to 0.75" thickness, the thickness for a 1-wide PCIe card, and be fine too.

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