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Judge swiftly tells Apple it can't delay the Google trial

Google faces a remedy trail over its monopolistic practices

Apple's motion for a stay on the forthcoming Google remedy trial has been quickly denied, meaning Apple will have little say in the potential end of its annual $20 billion iPhone search deal with the search giant.

At the conclusion of the Department of Justice's case against the company, Google was legally declared to be a search and advertising monopoly in August 2024. A remedy trial is planned to determine what steps Google can take to address this, and Apple has been trying to be a major part of the process.

According to MLex, however, Judge Amit Mehta has now denied Apple's motion to obtain what's called an emergency stay of the trial. The ruling came 24 hours after Apple filed its motion in response to Judge Mehta's previous refusal to allow it any significant participation.

The new ruling reportedly says that Apple's motion has not satisfied the "stringent requirements" for such a stay. Specifically, Apple has not shown any "daylight" between its proposed remedy and the one that Google is already proposing.

Apple has not, according to the judge, demonstrated the irreparable harm it could suffer following Google's or other remedies that may be considered. Judge Mehta says that there being public interest to consider, plus harm to the existing parties, "weighs heavily against a stay."

It's not presently clear whether Apple has any right to appeal the ruling. Whatever it can still legally do, however, it will do quickly as Judge Mehta aims to get the remedies trial underway soon in order to conclude it by August 2025.

The remedy trial is at least likely to include a required ending to the deal that currently sees Apple provide Google as the default search engine on the iPhone. That deal is now known to be worth around $20 billion to Apple annually.

Apple is therefore highly motivated to have a say in the remedy trial, and this is why the company was swift to file a motion for a stay. However, the reason it had to file at all was that, according to the judge, it had been too slow to ask for participation in the first place.

Apple disputes this and says it requested participation as soon as the original trial decision was made. However, its original court filing asking for participation was filed on December 23, 2024.

That would seem to mean that it filed around four months after the original August 2024 decision. Judge Mehta, though, argues that Apple should have known about any potential impact to its business from the start of the case — in 2020.

Prior to the new filing, Apple was told that it would be allowed to submit briefing documents. However, one reason the company gave for filing a motion for a stay was that the Department of Justice had said it would block even that amount of participation.

What happens next

When filing its request for a stay with Judge Mehta, Apple was upfront about what it would do if the motion were denied. Specifically, for speed Apple said that it was simultaneously filing a similar motion with the DC Circuit.

If Judge Mehta agreed to the stay, Apple said it would drop the DC Circuit version. Since the judge has not agreed, that separate motion is presumably in progress.

It's also presumably intended to overrule Judge Mehta's decision. There is not, however, a clear schedule for when the DC Circuit will rule on the motion.



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DAalseth 7 Years · 3134 comments

Judge Mehta, though, argues that Apple should have known about any potential impact to its business from the start of the case — in 2020
Voiding the deal between Google and Apple was always on the table. All the Mac sites mentioned it as a possibility at the time. For Apple to say they didn’t know this was going to happen is absurd. For them to not attempt to get involved from the beginning, even if the DoJ tried to block them was beyond absurd. For them to come in at the end of December, four months after the decision, one that was telegraphed well in advance inexplicable. Whether one thinks the deal is good or bad, should stay or go, it is rediculous for Apple to try and intervene this late in the process. That ship has sailed. 

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Pema 3 Years · 208 comments

Goodness gracious me! That's a $20 Billion dollar infusion from Google to Apple that just flew out the window. Not to mention the fact that going forward Google will no longer have default access to 2.5 Billion Apple devices. If Google is banking on it's Gemini efforts to save their bacon then they may as well start sleeping in homeless shelters and getting handouts. 

Losing access to 2.5 Billion Apple devices is HUGE. Make no mistake. It literally means that Microsoft can now go ahead and cut a $20 Billion deal with Apple to plug Bing or Apple will just need to beef up Safari and build out a data centre to provide comprehensive search results. The good news is with Apple Intelligence they may be able to shortcut the years-long process of aggregating hangers full of data and provide the search results via Generative AI. Forget Predictive. That's like trying to predict the weather. 

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daven 17 Years · 731 comments

DAalseth said:
Judge Mehta, though, argues that Apple should have known about any potential impact to its business from the start of the case — in 2020
Voiding the deal between Google and Apple was always on the table. All the Mac sites mentioned it as a possibility at the time. For Apple to say they didn’t know this was going to happen is absurd. For them to not attempt to get involved from the beginning, even if the DoJ tried to block them was beyond absurd. For them to come in at the end of December, four months after the decision, one that was telegraphed well in advance inexplicable. Whether one thinks the deal is good or bad, should stay or go, it is rediculous for Apple to try and intervene this late in the process. That ship has sailed. 

I’m not sure it would have been appropriate for Apple to get deeply involved until after it was decided Google was a monopoly. 

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avon b7 21 Years · 8099 comments

Pema said:
Goodness gracious me! That's a $20 Billion dollar infusion from Google to Apple that just flew out the window. Not to mention the fact that going forward Google will no longer have default access to 2.5 Billion Apple devices. If Google is banking on it's Gemini efforts to save their bacon then they may as well start sleeping in homeless shelters and getting handouts. 

Losing access to 2.5 Billion Apple devices is HUGE. Make no mistake. It literally means that Microsoft can now go ahead and cut a $20 Billion deal with Apple to plug Bing or Apple will just need to beef up Safari and build out a data centre to provide comprehensive search results. The good news is with Apple Intelligence they may be able to shortcut the years-long process of aggregating hangers full of data and provide the search results via Generative AI. Forget Predictive. That's like trying to predict the weather. 

It's also possible that this is a huge saving for Google. It won't de losing access to iOS devices, just default access. 

Although I believe Google has a monopoly in a few areas, I also believe that, in search, they are also the best. 

I have Google Search as a default because there is no better alternative.

I'm sure the vast majority of iOS device users see things the same way and will make Google their default as well. I'm sure most EU citizens do the same now that we have choice. 

If anything, Apple is now going to be put under the microscope. Without that annual injection of Google revenues (money for nothing) will they suddenly see search as a viable revenue stream and develop their own search engine? 

If they do, some people (myself included) will point the finger at the current deal as no more than a 'you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours' situation. 

And yes, that's how I see things now too.

The move to kill these kinds of deals among gatekeepers is essential but only way for competition to flourish is to level the playing field.

The Google/Apple deal only benefitted those two companies and hindered competition. 

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Pema 3 Years · 208 comments

avon b7 said:
Pema said:
Goodness gracious me! That's a $20 Billion dollar infusion from Google to Apple that just flew out the window. Not to mention the fact that going forward Google will no longer have default access to 2.5 Billion Apple devices. If Google is banking on it's Gemini efforts to save their bacon then they may as well start sleeping in homeless shelters and getting handouts. 

Losing access to 2.5 Billion Apple devices is HUGE. Make no mistake. It literally means that Microsoft can now go ahead and cut a $20 Billion deal with Apple to plug Bing or Apple will just need to beef up Safari and build out a data centre to provide comprehensive search results. The good news is with Apple Intelligence they may be able to shortcut the years-long process of aggregating hangers full of data and provide the search results via Generative AI. Forget Predictive. That's like trying to predict the weather. 
It's also possible that this is a huge saving for Google. It won't de losing access to iOS devices, just default access. 

Although I believe Google has a monopoly in a few areas, I also believe that, in search, they are also the best. 

I have Google Search as a default because there is no better alternative.

I'm sure the vast majority of iOS device users see things the same way and will make Google their default as well. I'm sure most EU citizens do the same now that we have choice. 

If anything, Apple is now going to be put under the microscope. Without that annual injection of Google revenues (money for nothing) will they suddenly see search as a viable revenue stream and develop their own search engine? 

If they do, some people (myself included) will point the finger at the current deal as no more than a 'you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours' situation. 

And yes, that's how I see things now too.

The move to kill these kinds of deals among gatekeepers is essential but only way for competition to flourish is to level the playing field.

The Google/Apple deal only benefitted those two companies and hindered competition. 

Can't argue with your logic. You are 100% correct. Except not having default access will diminish Google's viability/visibility. You can bet dollars to doughnuts that Microsoft is seeing this as an opportunity to get their foot in the door of Apple devices. The problem is that Bing does not deliver the same length and breadth of Google search. For my part I will toggle a setting to indicate that my preferred search engine is Google, read: use Chrome. 

Apple build out their own data centre? Not likely. Look at the last revolutionary Apple attempts: Apple Car (fail) Apple Vision Pro (fail as a consumer product) Apple Search will take years of effort to achieve the level of depth that Google has accrued over the years. 

That said, AI may level the playing field by skirting around drilling down into massive data servers and using AI to glean the results from leased data troves. 

Which is to day that Apple may be forced to sever the $20 Billion 'understanding' with Google. But who is to say that Apple can not pipe into Google's data centres to retrieve results using Generative AI. The question is who pays who? I guess Google will get paid a data lease for each access. 

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