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Apple delaying web standard with patent royalty claim

Often touting web standards itself, Apple is being accused of holding back an important web specification by demanding royalty payments on a patent for updates.

The World Wide Web Consortium, or W3C, has notified members that Apple believes the new W3C Widgets standard might use technology in a US patent it owns for automatic software updates. According to the Cupertino, Calif.-based electronics maker, the Widgets standard's approach of checking for new versions and then updating over the web mimics a similar technique in its own 1998 filing.

As a result, Apple believes that it's owed royalties for implementations that include the update feature. It's here, however, that the dispute arises. Under the W3C's membership policies, those within the standards group — including Apple — are required to offer their patents royalty-free, which the company has so far refused to do, according to the report.

The impasse has lasted for roughly a month and has led the W3C to start an investigation through a Patent Advisory Group just to check if Apple's claims are accurate. With Apple declining to budge, fellow W3C participants like browser developer Opera are increasingly worried that the Widgets standard may have to be delayed to alter code in a way that avoids treading on the automatic update patent.

"This basically means a lot of additional work for the Working Group at the W3C, and might slow down the process of finalizing the widgets specification," Opera wrote on Tuesday. "What are they up to exactly?"

The roadblock is appearing at an unusual and partly self-contradictory time for Apple. Just days before its patent dispute with the W3C began, the company released a beta of Safari 4 for whom a key objective was keeping up to multiple new web standards, including the core HTML 5.0 and CSS 3.0 specifications that should represent the future of web design.

However this cooperation on web standards or the Patent Advisory Group might unfold, Apple itself isn't saying; the firm has so far remained silent on the matter.



123 Comments

solipsism 18 Years · 25701 comments

This seems awfully trifling and somewhat pathetic on Apple's part as the patent was described. I wonder if Apple isn't really holding out to get leeway in some other patent issue that the W3C holds, basically offering a trade of patent tech.

jocknerd 19 Years · 28 comments

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Originally Posted by solipsism

This seems awfully trifling and somewhat pathetic on Apple's part as the patent was described. I wonder if Apple isn't really holding out to get leeway in some other patent issue that the W3C holds, basically offering a trade of patent tech.

The W3C doesn't hold patents. Its a standards organization. Software patents are evil.

kresh 19 Years · 372 comments

Quote:
Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Under the W3C's membership policies, those within the standards group -- including Apple -- are required to offer their patents royalty-free, which the company has so far refused to do, according to the report.

Somehow I don't think we are getting the full story. Apple's membership in the W3C's consortium does not give the consortium unlimited access to every patent that Apple holds. How did the widget process start and evolve, I am not familiar with it, but that seems to be where the issue lies.

What if the group wants to wander into mobile device browser based UI's, and since Apple is a member, they make a clone of the iPhone experience. Should Apple just hand over the patents, shut up and play nice because they are members of the consortium?

pg4g 16 Years · 383 comments

The question that must be asked though is: is Apple more known for their bargaining or their being painfully stubborn?

I'd say the later. Apple may just think that the widget setup is key and thus want to make money out of it.

eai 19 Years · 407 comments

Quote:
Originally Posted by kresh

Somehow I don't think we are getting the full story. Apple's membership in the W3C's consortium does not give the consortium unlimited access to every patent that Apple holds. How did the widget process start and evolve, I am not familiar with it, but that seems to be where the issue lies.

What if the group wants to wander into mobile device browser based UI's, and since Apple is a member, they make a clone of the iPhone experience. Should Apple just hand over the patents, shut up and play nice because they are members of the consortium?

http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-...ec-Obligations

"As a condition of participating in a Working Group, each participant [..] shall agree to make available [..] any [patent or patent application] related to the work of that particular Working Group."

(modified for clarity)

This would only apply if Apple were a member of the WebApps working group.