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Tech fund manager bullish on Apple stock in run-up to iPhone X preorders, but says future uncertain

Apple stock is prime for a rally in the run-up to iPhone X preorders on Oct. 27, even if there are concerns about the phone and the company in the future, according to one prominent investor.

"[Apple] tends to rally into these product launches," AlphaOne Capital Partners founder Dan Niles told CNBC in an interview. He called it a "pretty predictable pattern," arguing that post-launch, Apple stock tends to struggle for about a month. Shares are said to be outperforming even though analysts are cutting their forecasts.

AlphaOne's positive stance is a "short-term view," Niles noted, since there are worries such as the iPhone X's reviews and how many people will be willing to spend upwards of $1,000 on a phone. In the long term it may be better to own stock in the suppliers providing components for the iPhone X's TrueDepth camera, rather than Apple itself, he said.

Niles's opinion has shifted dramatically in the past year. In May 2016 the investor said he was ready to short Apple, given that iPhone sales were down beyond even shrinking smartphone industry trends, and he felt that Apple hadn't "done a whole lot in services," such as a potential streaming TV offering.

Apple is due to announce its September-quarter results on Nov. 2. The timing of this year's iPhone launches means that only the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will appear in those figures, which may not look good to investors given softer demand than in the past.

Many people may be holding out for the iPhone X, however, in which case December-quarter results could beat expectations and drive up Apple's average selling price. The device will hit shelves and doorsteps on Nov. 3.



13 Comments

neilm 16 Years · 1001 comments

Wow, the future is uncertain. 

Just a minute while I pretend to make a note of that.

lkrupp 19 Years · 10521 comments

Let me repeat my constant meme. The stock market runs on two things and only two things... greed and fear. All the financial programs and algorithms that produce trends, predictions, historical analysis are like the palm reader and fortune teller in that tiny storefront at the strip mall. If an investor thinks a company is declining they will sell their stock out of fear. If that same investor thinks a company is firing on all cylinders they will buy the stock out of greed. We see this almost every day with Apple in particular. Some wild rumor about declining sales comes out and AAPL goes down. Some other clown predicts a massive “super cycle” and AAPL goes up. Tuesday we saw Dow Jones release an obviously fake news story about Google buying Apple for $9 billion and that Apple stock holders would get seven shares of GOOG for every share of AAPL. AAPL shot up about $2 before reality set in. That was pure, unadulterated greed my friends.

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auxio 19 Years · 2766 comments

Good thing Apple isn't run by these investors or they would have been dead a long time ago due to uncertainty about the future.

"The best way to predict the future is to invent it"

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unphocus 7 Years · 81 comments

I should have been a financial analyst—I just have to be right half the time. 

tundraboy 18 Years · 1914 comments

sog35 said:
lkrupp said:
Let me repeat my constant meme. The stock market runs on two things and only two things... greed and fear. All the financial programs and algorithms that produce trends, predictions, historical analysis are like the palm reader and fortune teller in that tiny storefront at the strip mall. If an investor thinks a company is declining they will sell their stock out of fear. If that same investor thinks a company is firing on all cylinders they will buy the stock out of greed. We see this almost every day with Apple in particular. Some wild rumor about declining sales comes out and AAPL goes down. Some other clown predicts a massive “super cycle” and AAPL goes up. Tuesday we saw Dow Jones release an obviously fake news story about Google buying Apple for $9 billion and that Apple stock holders would get seven shares of GOOG for every share of AAPL. AAPL shot up about $2 before reality set in. That was pure, unadulterated greed my friends.
This is true in the short to medium term.  But in the long term, picking successful companies will lead to greater wealth.

I can only think of 2 exceptions:  Amazon and Apple.

IMO, Amazon is ridiculously overpriced and has been for over a decade.  And Apple has been ridiculously underpriced for 95% of the last 10 years.

My theory is Amazon is propped up by Bezo's Wall Street friends.  While Apple is punished because so many on Main Street own the stock. 

Its one reason I exited my Apple position earlier this month. Its just not worth the frustration of holding a big position in the company when I know for 95% of the time Wall Street will not value it fairly.

If a stock is consistently underpriced, but that underpriced price rises as it keeps up with a rising 'true' price, then you still get pretty much the same rate of return on the stock.  Hey, I just described AAPL's price behavior.

Just because a stock is underpriced, that doesn't automatically mean the rate of return on your investment in the stock will be subpar.  (Especially if it was also underpriced when you bought it.)