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iPhone firmware leak suggests Apple considered A9X for Apple TV

Apple was apparently experimenting with the possibility of creating a powerful version of the Apple TV long before it created the Apple TV 4K, with the discovery of code references in the "iBoot" leak suggesting it could have used an A9X chip.

Developer Steve Troughton-Smith claims to have found references to an "A9X variant of the Apple TV that never shipped" within the leaked source code. Considering the age of the code - which was allegedly pulled from iOS 9 - the claimed unreleased device could potentially have been one of Apple's initial attempts at producing a more powerful version of its streaming set-top box.

The A9X is a 64-bit system-on-chip designed by Apple and introduced as part of the first generation of iPad Pro devices, including both the 12.9-inch and 9.7-inch models. The chip was claimed by Apple to offer double the GPU performance and 1.8 times the CPU performance of the A8X, making it the most powerful mobile processor for iOS devices at the time.

If genuine, Troughton-Smith's discovery strongly suggests Apple was looking to considerably upgrade the Apple TV's processing power, far beyond the fourth-generation device's internals, long before it had even shipped the Apple TV 4K. The hardware for the fourth generation Apple TV, launched in September 2015, centered around the A8 processor that had been used in the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus and the iPad mini 4, with the chip powerful enough to perform Siri searches and run third-party apps within tvOS.

Apple did go on to produce a more powerful model, introducing the Apple TV 4K in September 2017 that largely kept the design and hardware considerations of the fourth-generation version. For the 4K edition, Apple ended up using the A9X's successor, the A10X Fusion, another chip used in iPad Pro models.

Surfacing earlier this week, the iBoot code is an Apple subsystem that ensures an authenticated boot, or initial loading, of iOS on a target device. It is also responsible for iOS kernel signing verification and other critical tasks, with the code leak potentially presenting an opportunity to jailbreak developers to discover new vulnerabilities.

Apple has responded to security concerns over the leak, assuring CNET the security design of its products does not rely on keeping the source code secret. "There are many layers of hardware and software protections built in to our products, and we always encourage customers to update to the newest software releases to benefit from the latest protections," Apple told the report.



13 Comments

tipoo 14 Years · 1122 comments

I think it's really neat they went with an actively cooled A10X. 

Now that that's in there though, I think they should aggressively court game developers to take advantage of it. Maybe even have small internal efforts! 

daven 16 Years · 722 comments

tipoo said:
I think it's really neat they went with an actively cooled A10X. 

Now that that's in there though, I think they should aggressively court game developers to take advantage of it. Maybe even have small internal efforts! 

Apple does have an advantage by having their own chips.

tipoo 14 Years · 1122 comments

daven said:
tipoo said:
I think it's really neat they went with an actively cooled A10X. 

Now that that's in there though, I think they should aggressively court game developers to take advantage of it. Maybe even have small internal efforts! 
Apple does have an advantage by having their own chips.

Exactly. Even among dedicated console makers, making ones own chips, OS, compilers, APIs and tools, is a rare combination, right now they've settled on semi-custom AMD efforts. 

Apple with nearly full stack control could make the ATV into a nifty microconsole. I'd love to see them start partnering and/or gobbling up some smaller studios and working on highly polished ATV exclusives for use with gamepads. 

shompa 20 Years · 341 comments

A9X would be a bit stupid. Remember that the chip in AppleTV historically have been harvested chips. Take3 had a single core A5. 4K have a "3 core" A10X. The A10X that do not pass validation for all cores, they are harvested for more/less free and put into AppleTV 4K. Using A9X when almost no new products exist with A9X would make it difficult for Apple to get free harvested chips. A more educated guess is that AppleTV 4K was planned to be released a year earlier before A10X existed. If Tim had some guts: Sell the A10 SoC to OEMs. If Tim had some balls: Sell iOS devices with Android/Windows Phone/Rooted developers edition. Stop being such a control freak. An AppleTV4K could easily be a base for a new MacMini. The CPU is already faster than most X86 and way faster in 64bit since its real 64bit, not extensions like X86 uses.

slurpy 15 Years · 5390 comments

It's sad that absolutely NOTHING even comes close to taking advantage of the Apple TV 4Ks A10X chip. I mean, would have been amazing if they actually got an exclusive game that had a wide appeal developed for it, to push the hardware and show people what it can do. Right now, even the most graphically impressive games are still optimized for A7 and up.