Excitement about the potential for using the iMac and its large, high quality display as an HDMI HDTV or display for a game console such as the Xbox or PlayStation 3 fizzled after it was revealed that the port only supports DisplayPort input signals, and not the VGA or DVI/HDMI video signals that most external devices use.
This limitation effectively limits the iMac to accepting video input from recent MacBooks or other computers that produce DisplayPort video, which works significantly differently from earlier analog VGA or digital formats such as DVI/HDMI.
That technical chasm can be bridged by a converter box that accepts a DVI/HDMI signal (the two video standards are essentially the same in different packaging), transforms it to DisplayPort signaling, and scales it to the output resolution of the iMac.
A simple physical adapter won't work for video input due to the iMac's DisplayPort-only input limitation; cheap Mini DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapters can only extract the HDMI output signal the iMac generates and pushes through its Mini DisplayPort connector. They do not do any signal translation.
Two products that can do this translation work are the AV360⢠Mini DisplayPort Converter and Kanex HD, both of which cost $150. However, while those products appear to be capable of generating both 720p and 1080p output, the 27" iMac only accepts 720p video or its native 2560x1440 resolution.
EDID limitation
It appears the 27" iMac could accept 1080p input, and certainly can support display of the video resolution, as it falls well within its 2560x1440 native resolution. A similar problem affects Apple's 24" LED Cinema Display, which has a native 1920x1200 resolution but only supports that resolution via its DisplayPort input; like the 27" iMac, it won't accept a 1080p signal (1920x1080), the common format of higher end HD equipment such as HDMI set top boxes and the PS3, even though it appears it should be able to.
The problem is that Apple's EDID (Extended Display Identification Data) on the iMac and LED Cinema Display doesn't advertise 1080p as an option. EDID is a simple data structure a display sends to output devices that outlines what video formats and settings it knows how to support. Both devices appear capable of 1080p but simply don't advertise that capability in a way that external devices like the AV360 and Kanex HD can take advantage of.
It appears Apple could update the firmware for these displays to enable support of 1080p input, allowing users to input full 1080p video from devices such as the PS3. Users might not notice a major difference, as experts say its hard to see a real difference between 720p and 1080p on screens smaller than 50 inches.
However, some devices are hardwired to only support 1080p, and can't scale their output to support the Cinema Display's slightly higher resolution nor the 27" iMacs much higher resolution, forcing them to downscale to 720p or not work at all (as is the case with the LED Cinema Display, which is really only indended to work with Apple's Mini DisplayPort-equipped MacBooks and modern desktop Macs).
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I discovered this after receiving my iMac27 a couple of months ago... Not a deal breaker for me personally, but the 'game loving' kids weren't so forgiving.
old news...
...also slightly inaccurate. Apple didn't build a scaler into the iMac capable of converting 1080p.
but you can have 1080p support with this device...
http://www.atlona.com/ATLONA-HDMI-MI...-SWITCHER.html
basically your adding the scaler apple left out.
I have a small issue with the claim that experts say you can't notice the difference between 720 and 1080 on screens under 50".
The claim misses the other half of the equation which is viewing distance from the screen. The 50"+ requirement is based on normal lounge room viewing distances, not sitting at a desk with a screen no more than 1.5 foot from your eyes.
The formula is known as the Lechner Distance. A calc table is available at
The table lists (for 1080) 37.66 as optimal viewing distance for 24" and 42.37" for 27". Both are beyond the 1.5-2' viewing distance of a iMac or Display on a desk and as such mean you can easily see all the detail. At 27" you can be a metre back and still see 1080p
http://hdguru.com/lechner-distance-t...ng-an-hdtv/21/
That line in this article is incorrect.
So...
I like Apple products...a lot. But I've never really understood the value of an Apple display. I like they they seem to be made from better components than other monitors, but it seems like there is a whole helluva lot of stuff that they don't do.
At first, I thought, well, the trade off is that they are made from such nice materials and offer such a great display. Lately, it seems like the displays aren't even that great.
Can someone please just tell me what most people use an Apple display for? To replace a tv? As a second monitor for design stuff (as if you needed more space if you have a 27" monitor)? This is one of those Apple products that I simply can't get my mind around.
Thanks in advance.
"Users might not notice a major difference, as experts say its hard to see a real difference between 720p and 1080p on screens smaller than 50 inches. "Those are blind experts. I see HUGE difference on 46 inch TV set. If someone cannot see it on high quality monitor with certain angular resolution (proper distance) then he/she must have problems with vision. I would suggest visit with optician.
Yes I can see the difference also on 20 inch monitor. As long as resolution for monitor is even or higher than certain HDTV standard with proper ambient light and good display of colors one should see the difference in details between 720p and 1080p. Otherwise it is like saying that it is hard to hear difference between surround and stereo systems.