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Google agreed to pick up tab for some Samsung legal fees, take on liability in case of loss

Apple's '959 patent for universal search. | Source: USPTO

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An agreement between Google and Samsung, revealed on Tuesday in the second California Apple v. Samsung patent trial, has the Internet search giant on the hook for legal fees and liability related to up to four Apple patents.

According to in-court reports from Re/code, a Google attorney James Maccoun presented testimony saying the company is contractually obliged to pay for the defense of certain patent claims made against Samsung.

In a taped deposition, Maccoun read emails outlining Google's Mobile Application Distribution Agreement (MADA) with Samsung. Aside from the financial aid, the numbers of which remain sealed, Google also agreed to take on responsibility for the same patents if Samsung ends up losing the case, meaning the Mountain View, Calif. company would indemnify the Korean company on those lost claims.

An account from The Verge added detail, noting Google agreed to back Samsung on two patent claims regarding universal search. In the current Apple v. Samsung trial, Apple is asserting one such property.

Specifically, Apple is asserting U.S. Patent No. 6,847,959 for a "Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system," which is still in play. Two other claims were pared from Apple's assertions in an effort to narrow the case for an early trial start date.

As noted by the San Jose Mercury News, the presentation of Maccoun's deposition was an attempt by Apple to counter Samsung's defense that its devices should not be singled out as the alleged infringing features were part of Google's Android operating system. In effect, Samsung has been using Google as a shield against Apple's patent infringement claims.



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gatorguy 13 Years · 24627 comments

[quote name="AppleInsider" url="/t/178754/google-agreed-to-pick-up-tab-for-some-samsung-legal-fees-take-on-liability-in-case-of-loss#post_2520906"]An agreement between Google and Samsung, revealed on Tuesday in the second California Apple v. Samsung patent trial, has the Internet search giant on the hook for legal fees and liability . . .[/quote] According to Re/Code Google's agreement with their licensees has an indemnity clause and likely always has. It's part of their Mobile Application Distribution Agreement. It's not even a secret agreement. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix380/1495569/000119312510271362/dex1012.htm Section 11 for those who'd rather not read more than needed.

jinglesthula 14 Years · 239 comments

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy According to Re/Code Google's agreement with their licensees has an indemnity clause and likely always has. It's part of their Mobile Application Distribution Agreement.

Prob'ly.  It sure underscores that this is a proxy war.

droidftw 11 Years · 1009 comments

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy According to Re/Code Google's agreement with their licensees has an indemnity clause and likely always has. It's part of their Mobile Application Distribution Agreement. It's not even a secret agreement.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix380/1495569/000119312510271362/dex1012.htm

Section 11 for those who'd rather not read more than needed.

 

It was also interesting to read in the Re/Code article that two of the four patents were dropped from the trial before it began and that background sync ('414) and global search ('959) are the only two patents being asserted in this trial.  Admittedly I haven't been paying the closest attention to every detail, but that's a pretty big detail that got past me.  Any idea why the other two were dropped?

darklite 11 Years · 229 comments

Got a few questions for people more familiar with the 'universal search' patent than I - if anyone knows the answers I'd be very grateful: 
  • What is the difference between the patent, and desktop search features like Ubuntu's (combined local machine / internet search)?
  • What is the difference between the patent, and desktop search features like Windows' that search drives connected via LAN? 
  • What is the difference between the patent, and search features like that of iTunes, Spotify and other similar content-distribution systems, where local files (installed / downloaded media) are searched together with remote files (stuff in a store / streamable media)?
  • Does a claim like 'The method of claim 14 wherein said other heuristic locates Internet web pages' cover 'submit the input to Google and rank items by search result position'? If so, why is this patentable (particularly given that Apple do not provide the backend search mechanism)? If not, what's the difference?

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Thanks in advance.

 

edit: Two more:

  • Why does the 'background sync' patent not cover all modern browsers, mail clients, etc. etc? 
  • If you remove the 'one of these is a handheld device' from the background sync patent, does the patent still have any merit? If so, where? If not, why does adding 'on a mobile' make it patentable?

peterbob 12 Years · 60 comments

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLite 
 
  • What is the difference between the patent, and desktop search features like Ubuntu's (combined local machine / internet search)?
  • What is the difference between the patent, and desktop search features like Windows' that search drives connected via LAN? 
  • What is the difference between the patent, and search features like that of iTunes, Spotify and other similar content-distribution systems, where local files (installed / downloaded media) are searched together with remote files (stuff in a store / streamable media)?
  • Does a claim like 'The method of claim 14 wherein said other heuristic locates Internet web pages' cover 'submit the input to Google and rank items by search result position'? If so, why is this patentable (particularly given that Apple do not provide the backend search mechanism)? If not, what's the difference?

?

Thanks in advance.

 

edit: Two more:

  • Why does the 'background sync' patent not cover all modern browsers, mail clients, etc. etc? 
  • If you remove the 'one of these is a handheld device' from the background sync patent, does the patent still have any merit? If so, where? If not, why does adding 'on a mobile' make it patentable?

 

Most of the patents covered in his trial should not have been patented as they cover an idea and not an execution. 

 

The difference is that we have an  understaffed under funded patent system, where all you need to get a patent is a worth smith. Throw in a few "apparatus" and "hierarchy" make it 20 pages and you could get a patent for anything. 

 

see this masterful patent on toast: http://www.google.com/patents/US6080436

 

In the rest of the develop world these patents would be laughed out of court and they have.