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Apple sues Ericsson to trim wireless patent royalty rates

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Apple has filed suit against Ericsson for charging excessive royalty rates on certain wireless Long Term Evolution (LTE) technology, and argues that the Swedish company's patents are not essential to overarching industry standards.

In a complaint lodged with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, Apple revealed that Ericsson is leaning on deemed standard essential IP to demand a percentage of the total price of every cellular-connected iPhone or iPad sold, reports Reuters.

"Ericsson seeks to exploit its patents to take the value of these cutting-edge Apple innovations, which resulted from years of hard work by Apple engineers and designers and billions of dollars of Apple research and development — and which have nothing to do with Ericsson's patents," the complaint reads, as reported by Bloomberg.

Apple contends royalties should be based on the value of the component using the patented tech, such as baseband chips or application processors, which would come out to a fraction of what Ericsson is asking.

Barring an outright win, Apple has also requested the court instate a reasonable royalty rate if the company is found to infringe Ericsson's IP.

Ericsson has become increasingly aggressive in brandishing its batch of patents to milk royalties from major industry players like Samsung and Xiaomi, which use the IP across a range of devices. Most leveraged patents, including those related to Apple's case, are for wireless communications technology.

''We've always been willing to pay a fair price to secure the rights to standards essential patents covering technology in our products," said Apple spokeswoman Kristin Huguet. "Unfortunately, we have not been able to agree with Ericsson on a fair rate for their patents so, as a last resort, we are asking the courts for help."

Apple currently licenses a number of Ericsson's standard-essential patents, but the deal was inked in 2008 and could be set to expire.

The redacted complaint did not reveal how much Ericsson is asking, but the number is likely substantial considering Apple's standing in the mobile phone space. For the third quarter of 2014, iPhone sales were north of 39 million units, only including one week of iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus availability.



42 Comments

macky the macky 15 Years · 4801 comments

Ericsson? Ericsson? I've heard that name before..? Didn't they used to make something or other?

cnocbui 17 Years · 3612 comments

Poor Apple, they can barely turn a profit and are struggling so hard to survive. Please give them a break before they go bankrupt.

redgeminipa 13 Years · 555 comments

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Originally Posted by cnocbui 

Poor Apple, they can barely turn a profit and are struggling so hard to survive. Please give them a break before they go bankrupt.


If every company Apple licenses from felt they should pay more (due to their success) and got away with it, that wouldn't be far from the case. 

 

The problem here is, why should Apple be forced to pay more than any other company for use of the same patents? 

 

That's what gets me when sites try to guesstimate how much it "costs" to build an iPhone. There is so much not taken into account. Not that Apple doesn't make a healthy profit, but there is much more involved in the expense of an Apple product than the sum of the parts. 

cnocbui 17 Years · 3612 comments

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedGeminiPA 
 


If every company Apple licenses from felt they should pay more (due to their success) and got away with it, that wouldn't be far from the case. 

 

The problem here is, why should Apple be forced to pay more than any other company for use of the same patents? 

 

That's what gets me when sites try to guesstimate how much it "costs" to build an iPhone. There is so much not taken into account. Not that Apple doesn't make a healthy profit, but there is much more involved in the expense of an Apple product than the sum of the parts. 


Why should Apple make more profit than any other manufacturer and charge more for their phones than anyone else?  If you answer 'because they can', that would be one answer.  What's this 'forced'?  If I complained about the high price of an iPhone and said I was being 'forced' to pay, I would be shot down in a heartbeat.

 

Why do real estate agent's get away with charging sellers a percentage of the sale price of a house when the effort involved in selling is probably fairly fixed?

rob bonner 12 Years · 237 comments

Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui 
 


Why should Apple make more profit than any other manufacturer and charge more for their phones than anyone else?  If you answer 'because they can', that would be one answer.  What's this 'forced'?  If I complained about the high price of an iPhone and said I was being 'forced' to pay, I would be shot down in a heartbeat.

 

Why do real estate agent's get away with charging sellers a percentage of the sale price of a house when the effort involved in selling is probably fairly fixed?


Just sold a property, the real estate one is easy, motivation.  They get more for a home we all win.