Apple's Swift rises into top 10 programming languages, swapping places with Objective-C

In order to push deep into code development world, need Windows and other cross-platform support with language ported along with development tools. Language like Python or C++ or whatever took several decades to proliferate. So in 4 years, Swift has much better traction. .

I can definitely see why. It's pretty easy to understand and write in. And I'm noticing more and more job postings for development positions that require only Swift & iOS experience. Not the usual multiple language experience. Which is nice since I'm currently learning Swift and don't particularly feel like developing for Android haha. 

jbishop1039 said:

I can definitely see why. It's pretty easy to understand and write in. And I'm noticing more and more job postings for development positions that require only Swift & iOS experience. Not the usual multiple language experience. Which is nice since I'm currently learning Swift and don't particularly feel like developing for Android haha. 

How many Windows and linux computers are in service? How many iOS and (to a lesser extent, macOS) devices are in service? Swift addresses a different marketplace, the mobile market, which is growing faster than the desktop and server market. There's also money to be made by developers using iOS while all the other mobile OSes make chump change. Android is difficult to develop for because there's a million different versions, most of which never get updated or patched. If I had any input into what students should be developing with and for, especially in the US, I'd strongly suggest Swift and iOS (macOS has the benefit of being closely related). Animation is a huge business and Apple products and operating systems are addressed by the primary software developers. I would never suggest someone bore themselves to death writing business software for Windows or linux. 

rob53 said:

How many Windows and linux computers are in service? How many iOS and (to a lesser extent, macOS) devices are in service? Swift addresses a different marketplace, the mobile market, which is growing faster than the desktop and server market. There's also money to be made by developers using iOS while all the other mobile OSes make chump change. Android is difficult to develop for because there's a million different versions, most of which never get updated or patched. If I had any input into what students should be developing with and for, especially in the US, I'd strongly suggest Swift and iOS (macOS has the benefit of being closely related). Animation is a huge business and Apple products and operating systems are addressed by the primary software developers. I would never suggest someone bore themselves to death writing business software for Windows or linux. 

iOS apps are 99¢ professional business software can run in to the thousands. There are all sorts of profitable niches in software development. Remember the trucks and cars analogy? iOS devices are by in large consumer devices. If you walk into just about any business you'll see a full computer on every desk. Sure, iPads can be used in business, especially when out in the field, but for every person you see using one, they most likely have a full desktop computer in their cubicle back at the office.

volcan said:

rob53 said:

How many Windows and linux computers are in service? How many iOS and (to a lesser extent, macOS) devices are in service? Swift addresses a different marketplace, the mobile market, which is growing faster than the desktop and server market. There's also money to be made by developers using iOS while all the other mobile OSes make chump change. Android is difficult to develop for because there's a million different versions, most of which never get updated or patched. If I had any input into what students should be developing with and for, especially in the US, I'd strongly suggest Swift and iOS (macOS has the benefit of being closely related). Animation is a huge business and Apple products and operating systems are addressed by the primary software developers. I would never suggest someone bore themselves to death writing business software for Windows or linux. 

iOS apps are 99¢ professional business software can run in to the thousands. There are all sorts of profitable niches in software development. Remember the trucks and cars analogy? iOS devices are by in large consumer devices. If you walk into just about any business you'll see a full computer on every desk. Sure, iPads can be used in business, especially when out in the field, but for every person you see using one, they most likely have a full desktop computer in their cubicle back at the office.

Most "business software" are developed in house by analysts and have nothing to do with being sold at all, which is dying model.

The rest of business software, the one sold privately, is now moving to subscription models, run from the cloud, which ahem, costs more than $1 per month.

You're building a straw man.

End point workflow where the desktop ruled is also dying,  even a small 12 inch business laptop (the very expensive ones) don't usually run traditional full suite.

The fact there was no way to do work properly before outside the desktop is what led to the workflow we had for 30 years and that is why software were that way.

Now, people are on the move, manipulating and consuming data at many place, many time, workflow change and the software changes.

More and more of the content will be manipulated in smaller pieces, by smaller apps working to fulfill one goal.