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Report: Apple's 5G modem to arrive in 2025, execs 'fed up' with slow Intel development

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Apple's rancor at the slow progress of Intel modem development began long before April's Qualcomm settlement and the rush to 5G, a report said on Wednesday, adding that the iPhone maker's in-house baseband chip won't arrive until 2025.

In early 2017, senior Hardware Technologies VP Johny Srouji "barked" at Intel's Venkata Renduchintala during a meeting at 1 Infinite Loop, according to a source for The Information. Srouji was allegedly frustrated with Intel's work on the XMM 7560, intended for 2018 iPhones.

The modem wasn't functioning properly, two sources said, even though Intel had already overhauled it four times to put it on par with Qualcomm chips, and missed multiple deadlines along the way.

"This would have never happened at Apple under my watch," Srouji supposedly told Renduchintala.

Under Srouji, Apple is believed to be creating its own 5G modem. Senior staff are telling engineers that the chip is due in 2025, an Information source claimed.

Apple settled its legal war with Qualcomm in mid-April. The same day, Intel announced its departure from the 5G phone modem business and it's now expected that 2020 iPhones will have 5G Qualcomm chips across the board.

Indeed, Apple reportedly hired away Intel's 5G lead not long before Qualcomm settlement, forcing Intel to "reshuffle" 5G work. Apple is once again believed to have been upset with Intel's pace, particularly since it was approaching a deadline for choosing a 2020 chip.

Intel is continuing to produce 5G modems, but only for markets such as drones, cars and robots. A spokesperson confirmed that other companies have approached it about buying that division.



21 Comments

JWSC 7 Years · 1203 comments

I did a double take on the 2025 modem introduction.  But then I realized that Apple needs to design this thing from the ground up and make sure they do not utilize any Qualcomm IP in the process.  Any patents they use should be FRAND.  It will be devilishly tricky to make sure they don’t unintentionally use someone else’s IP.  That could slow things down as well.

BxBorn 8 Years · 74 comments

If Apple is going to produce a 5G chip for 2025 (5.5 years) and Srouji is right that the delays Intel has had never would've happened at Apple, Intel would've had to start development of this chip more than 5.5 years ago in order for Srouji to make good on his notion that these issues never would've happened at Apple...we'll see how it goes I guess, if it was that simple why didn't Apple start producing their own modem chips sooner? Why employ a 3rd party at all?????

canukstorm 11 Years · 2744 comments

JWSC said:

I did a double take on the 2025 modem introduction.  But then I realized that Apple needs to design this thing from the ground up and make sure they do not utilize any Qualcomm IP in the process.  Any patents they use should be FRAND.  It will be devilishly tricky to make sure they don’t unintentionally use someone else’s IP.  That could slow things down as well.

Don't forget that Apple signed a 6-year licensing deal with Qualcomm with an option to extend it for 2 years.

bloggerblog 16 Years · 2520 comments

BxBorn said:
If Apple is going to produce a 5G chip for 2025 (5.5 years) and Srouji is right that the delays Intel has had never would've happened at Apple, Intel would've had to start development of this chip more than 5.5 years ago in order for Srouji to make good on his notion that these issues never would've happened at Apple...we'll see how it goes I guess, if it was that simple why didn't Apple start producing their own modem chips sooner? Why employ a 3rd party at all?????

or they may just have a 5 year contract with Qualcomm

JWSC 7 Years · 1203 comments

JWSC said:

I did a double take on the 2025 modem introduction.  But then I realized that Apple needs to design this thing from the ground up and make sure they do not utilize any Qualcomm IP in the process.  Any patents they use should be FRAND.  It will be devilishly tricky to make sure they don’t unintentionally use someone else’s IP.  That could slow things down as well.

Don't forget that Apple signed a 6-year licensing deal with Qualcomm with an option to extend it for 2 years.

Then I would ask what is cause and effect.  Did the licensing deal with Qualcomm drive the 2025 date or did the modem design effort drive the licensing deal?