Apple's relationship with web apps will improve in 2023

Right now, in June 2022, it looks like the release of Web Push in 2023 will be good for users and developers.Hopefully Apple will have a flag to turn off Push notifications from web apps and web sites. 

:/ 

I've taken quite the dim view of these "pro competition, pro business, pro consumer" rationales. GDPR pop-up notices are like a modern rendition of ActiveX pop-ups, and it didn't do anything to actually protect people. This Web Push stuff sounds like it is going to amp up notification marketing by increasing the surface area of who and what can send a push notification by orders of magnitude. Eventually a few "bad" players will blow up all the goodness and just trash everything. Like, all it takes is one "web app" to mess up your phone or PC and you will have to go through some cleaning activity.

Every single communications medium we have eventually just turns to shit. My mail box is 99% advertisements, and probably 99.999% by weight. Just the thought of the gas and diesel used to deliver that shit pisses me off. My landline phone is nothing but telemarketing and basically shit calls. My cell phone is getting there and I really should just turn on the flag to only allow my contacts to ring the phone. Email? Our email apps have the work of multiple PhDs to filter that stuff out, on multiple nodes of an email's path to your input. Text messaging? I think text messaging costing money way back when actually delayed the inevitable, especially now that regulators want "compatibility".

Forcing the use of WebKit is a privacy first issue - having multiple browser engines on iOS/iPadOS opens a can of privacy worms and  would create a whole slew of new attack vectors.

loopless said:

Forcing the use of WebKit is a privacy first issue - having multiple browser engines on iOS/iPadOS opens a can of privacy worms and  would create a whole slew of new attack vectors.

Especially when Google places an always running and transmitting server on your device. 

tht said:

Right now, in June 2022, it looks like the release of Web Push in 2023 will be good for users and developers.

Hopefully Apple will have a flag to turn off Push notifications from web apps and web sites.  :/ 

I've taken quite the dim view of these "pro competition, pro business, pro consumer" rationales. GDPR pop-up notices are like a modern rendition of ActiveX pop-ups, and it didn't do anything to actually protect people. This Web Push stuff sounds like it is going to amp up notification marketing by increasing the surface area of who and what can send a push notification by orders of magnitude. Eventually a few "bad" players will blow up all the goodness and just trash everything. Like, all it takes is one "web app" to mess up your phone or PC and you will have to go through some cleaning activity.

Every single communications medium we have eventually just turns to shit. My mail box is 99% advertisements, and probably 99.999% by weight. Just the thought of the gas and diesel used to deliver that shit pisses me off. My landline phone is nothing but telemarketing and basically shit calls. My cell phone is getting there and I really should just turn on the flag to only allow my contacts to ring the phone. Email? Our email apps have the work of multiple PhDs to filter that stuff out, on multiple nodes of an email's path to your input. Text messaging? I think text messaging costing money way back when actually delayed the inevitable, especially now that regulators want "compatibility".

It’s almost like us humans should focus our efforts on our immediate neighbours and communities instead of trying to ‘connect to like-minded people’ on the other side of the world. Make meaningful, real relationships with a handful of people and everything else just fades away to insignificance. 

tht said:

Right now, in June 2022, it looks like the release of Web Push in 2023 will be good for users and developers.

Hopefully Apple will have a flag to turn off Push notifications from web apps and web sites.  :/ 

I've taken quite the dim view of these "pro competition, pro business, pro consumer" rationales. GDPR pop-up notices are like a modern rendition of ActiveX pop-ups, and it didn't do anything to actually protect people. This Web Push stuff sounds like it is going to amp up notification marketing by increasing the surface area of who and what can send a push notification by orders of magnitude. Eventually a few "bad" players will blow up all the goodness and just trash everything. Like, all it takes is one "web app" to mess up your phone or PC and you will have to go through some cleaning activity.

Every single communications medium we have eventually just turns to shit. My mail box is 99% advertisements, and probably 99.999% by weight. Just the thought of the gas and diesel used to deliver that shit pisses me off. My landline phone is nothing but telemarketing and basically shit calls. My cell phone is getting there and I really should just turn on the flag to only allow my contacts to ring the phone. Email? Our email apps have the work of multiple PhDs to filter that stuff out, on multiple nodes of an email's path to your input. Text messaging? I think text messaging costing money way back when actually delayed the inevitable, especially now that regulators want "compatibility".

You must have missed "Users can click a "subscribe" button and click Allow in the permission dialog that appears. Notification toggles for websites will be found in device settings just like native apps." in the article above.  

Nothing's going to give you push notifications, unless you approve first, just like it is now for every other type of push notification.