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Abandoned $10 billion Apple Car project referred to as 'Titanic disaster' by employees

Apple's work on Project Titan cost $10 billion over a decade

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A report shares that "many" Apple employees considered Project Titan an inevitable failure and are happy to see it die in favor of work on artificial intelligence.

The decade-long Project Titan follows a long and winding road past Jony Ive's hope for a self-driving car, secret race tracks, and a bid to buy Tesla. The Apple Car project is canceled for now, but that doesn't mean Apple won't reap the rewards of its hard work.

According to a report from The New York Times, at least some Apple employees are happy to see the end of Project Titan. The project's failure seemed likely and was sometimes referred to as "the Titanic disaster."

The concept behind Apple Car arrived just as Apple was wrapping work on Apple Watch. The company wanted to compete with Tesla and potentially capture a portion of the sizable auto industry.

Google and other Silicon Valley companies were targeting electric vehicles, so it seemed natural for Apple to take on the challenge. The report's details about engineers speaking to Jony Ive and team make it sound as if it was all but certain that a self-driving Apple Car was possible and imminent.

A custom red Fiat 600 Jony Ive was a fan of the Fiat 600, even auctioned this custom one in 2013

After a decade of research, Apple is no closer to releasing a full self-driving vehicle than Tesla. No one has managed to get it done, and there's one problem that modern "AI" algorithms can't account for — other humans on the road.

Luckily, work on autonomous systems and vehicle AI is highly transferable to other aspects of computing. Apple has allegedly invested $10 billion in Project Titan, but those funds aren't lost, as all of that work will now benefit its push into AI.

Reallocating resources

It was reported that Apple's abandonment of a vehicle project wasn't due to engineering impossibilities — the company had already shifted to Level 2 autonomy down from Level 4. Building an electric car at Level 2 is commonplace and entirely possible for Apple.

No, the project end came down to margins. Apple would never be able to sell vehicles at its expected margins, especially with the declining EV market and competitors racing to the bottom.

Some members of the Project Titan team may be laid off, but others are being reassigned to AI projects or asked to apply for other positions at the company. If Apple ever decides to make an Apple Car again in the future, a lot of the groundwork is done.



57 Comments

Luis.A.Masanti 1 Year · 73 comments

Of course… $10 Billions appear impressive. But let us put it in perspective.
But let do a little math.

It was $10 Billions over a decade.
So… it was $1 Billion a year.
The last count of employees was… 2,000.
So… $1 B / 2,000 = 500,000-
Of course, not all employees would earn that money… but there are the cost of buildings and computers… And during the project there were a lot more employees.

Or we can calculate how many iPhones Pro Max it costed… $1 B / $1,200 = 840,000—

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am8449 16 Years · 392 comments

I’d guess that Apple’s decision to not produce a car was about not only low profit margin, but also whether they could bring enough innovative technology to a car that would warrant a higher profit margin. 

I can imagine Tim Cook saying in a closed door meeting, “Our current and near-future machine learning algorithms for an autonomous self driving system are not good enough to make a truly safe car experience, so we’re not going to bring it to market.”

On a side note, this seems quite different from what Elon Musk and Tesla have done regarding their autonomous self driving system. Even letting Tesla owners be guinea pigs and risking their own safety to test their system. 

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lam92103 5 Years · 150 comments

Probably a good idea. No one is paying for premium EVs. Asia is being taken over by cheap BYD & SIAC EVs

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slow n easy 10 Years · 400 comments

I'm not sure I would have ever bought an Apple Car. Knowing Apple, they would probably want to get rid of the steering wheel or some crazy shit like that. I would never even consider a car that I couldn't drive myself. I'm sure that Apple would also consider performance to be a low priority, and for me, performance is a high priority. I did consider the 2024 Model 3, but rejected that car because of a lack of instrument cluster screen. I don't want one gigantic iPad like screen. I prefer 2 or 3 different screens and the car I recently bought has a head-up display, which I love. Also, in the Tesla, you can't turn off adaptive cruise control. I tried it in my Integra, and I absolutely hate it. I turned that off along with pretty much all of the other active driving stuff. I don't plan on buying an EV until around 2034.

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slow n easy 10 Years · 400 comments

am8449 said:
I’d guess that Apple’s decision to not produce a car was about not only low profit margin, but also whether they could bring enough innovative technology to a car that would warrant a higher profit margin. 
I can imagine Tim Cook saying in a closed door meeting, “Our current and near-future machine learning algorithms for an autonomous self driving system are not good enough to make a truly safe car experience, so we’re not going to bring it to market.”

On a side note, this seems quite different from what Elon Musk and Tesla have done regarding their autonomous self driving system. Even letting Tesla owners be guinea pigs and risking their own safety to test their system. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Tesla is doing, and it's ridiculous to call Tesla owners guinea pigs. They are required to pay $12,000 or $200/month if they want the car to drive itself, and they have to be almost constantly touching the steering wheel, or the system will deactivate. They also use a strike system, so if you get (I believe 3 strikes) then you are cut off for a week or something like that. So people are required to take their role as a Beta Tester seriously. Also FSD 12 should go to wide release any day now. That is end-to-end AI and an elimination of 300,000 lines of code. It should be a total game changer. Tesla is still the only auto manufacturer where every vehicle they sell is capable of driving on every road in the country by itself. They are so far ahead of everyone else, it's hard to imagine that the other car companies will ever catch up. I'm guessing that they will have to license Tesla's technology. Tesla already gave away their charge port, and every auto company except Stellantis is using it starting in 2025. There is no way that Stellantis can hold out forever or people will stop buying their cars.

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