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Mystery Apple chip discovered in iMac Pro teardown not A10 Fusion coprocessor [u]

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A careful disassembly of the new iMac Pro has found another Apple-made chip in addition to the new T2, though close inspection of the silicon reveals it is not the A10 Fusion coprocessor some expected would be included in the powerful all-in-one.

In taking apart the new iMac Pro, iFixit discovered an Apple chip identified as "338S00268," which the repair experts said "appears to be the rumored A10 Fusion coprocessor." Notably, the chip discovered near the solid-state hard drive is separate from the T2 chip, which handles secure booting, password encryption and more.

The firm later recanted its hypothesis, saying the package is too small to contain an A10's innards.

The discovery of a second Apple chip does, however, refuel speculation as to what exactly the hardware is for.

Prior to the shipment of the iMac Pro, developers found indications in macOS High Sierra that an A10 processor could be included inside of the machine, generating rumors that the iMac Pro might boast always-on "Hey Siri" support and more. However, no such capabilities were found once the machine shipped, suggesting the custom silicon serves a different purpose.

iFixit's teardown also found that upgrading the RAM on Apple's iMac Pro is a possibility, but not without a "major undertaking." After taking apart the machine, they found that the RAM used comes on standard 288-pin DDR4 ECC sticks.

Accordingly, the solutions provider swapped in four 32-gigabyte modules for 128 gigabytes.

Less clear on upgradeability, however, is the CPU, which appears to have been custom-made for the iMac Pro. Assuming Intel sells compatible models to consumers at some point, replacing the CPU should be "theoretically possible," iFixit said.

One thing that won't be upgraded, however, is the graphics card, as iFixit found that the GPU is soldered in place.

Though iFixit only gave the iMac Pro a repairability score of 3 out of 10, the site did say that the machine "goes back together just fine." they plan to offer a step-by-step upgrade guide soon.

Update: In a subsequent tweet, iFixit said the mystery chip is too small to be an A10 Fusion coprocessor.

"Whoops! We initially thought this Apple 338S00268 chip was the rumored A10 Fusion coprocessor, but the package size is too small (roughly 7.4 mm each side). What do you think it is? Maybe a PMIC of some sort?" iFixit said.

The story has been updated to reflect iFixit's statement.



26 Comments

racerhomie3 7 Years · 1264 comments

Guys.
What is wrong with a MBP with an external GPU?
Is there a reason I don’t know to why they aren’t so popular.

mikethemartian 18 Years · 1493 comments

Guys.
What is wrong with a MBP with an external GPU?
Is there a reason I don’t know to why they aren’t so popular.

I don't know if there are performance issues but it would somewhat diminish the whole AiO concept.

nhughes 15 Years · 768 comments

Guys.
What is wrong with a MBP with an external GPU?
Is there a reason I don’t know to why they aren’t so popular.

For me, the biggest rub is you can't drive the eGPU horsepower to the MBP's internal Retina display. And because the only Retina-caliber monitors out there are LG UltraFine models that connect via USB-C and TB3, you can't use those with any eGPU rigs at the moment either, because graphics cards use legacy inputs like HDMI. So eGPU+MBP is fine for a dual-monitor setup, or with a VR headset, but I think dual monitors diminish the appeal of the Touch Bar.

Apple is getting back into the display market, so I imagine we'll see some Retina-caliber displays that connect over TB3, and maybe even have their own integrated eGPUs. Toss in an external Magic Keyboard with Touch Bar, and I'm in -- but I might be asking for too much in 2018.

racerhomie3 7 Years · 1264 comments

Can I use TB2 Mac with an external GPU to play GTA 5 ?
Do you have any experience with that?

I want to test the eGPU setup on the Mac Mini 2014.

nhughes 15 Years · 768 comments

Can I use TB2 Mac with an external GPU to play GTA 5 ?
Do you have any experience with that?

I want to test the eGPU setup on the Mac Mini 2014.

You can hack it to work over Thunderbolt 2, but you lose some of the processing capabilities of the eGPU because the bandwidth is limited. I suspect the CPU would end up being the bottleneck on a 2014 Mac mini.

This topic isn't really related to the story at hand, so I won't be commenting anymore, but we have some info on eGPU over Thunderbolt 2 (and 1) in this article if you're interested:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/09/04/apples-egpu-work-in-high-sierra-is-impressive-but-six-more-months-will-make-it-better