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Opposition to new Apple campus emerges in North Carolina's Research Triangle

Apple's new campus in the North Carolina Research Triangle, considered a "done deal" months ago, remains uncertain, and a new report finds some opposition in the area to the potential project.

Apple, for much of the past year, has been seeking to find a spot for a large new corporate campus, with the Research Triangle in North Carolina emerging as a favorite. But a new report says some opposition has grown in academic and activist circles to Apple's presence in that region.

According to U.S. News and World Report, some in the region are skeptical that the arrival of a major new corporate campus is the best thing for the Research Triangle.

"It'll be terrible from a housing perspective. We have not planned ahead for that," Mai Thi Nyguen, a professor of city and regional planning at University of North Carolina, told U.S. News. Samuel Gunter, a housing advocate, argued that the region's housing market is already stretched by the last several years of growth, even before Apple enters the conversation. In Raleigh, the median home price has risen 50 percent in the last five years.

"All these new workers are going to need to go to school; they're going to need to go on the highway," Allan Freyer, of the North Carolina Justice Center, told the magazine. "It's not the worst problem to have. We want new jobs and big companies. The question is, are we well-positioned to provide the infrastructure and public services that we're going to need?"

Freyer went on to argue that if Apple arrives, it's important that the state meet the new demand by building schools.

Similar opposition has emerged in various cities considered by Amazon in their "HQ2" campaign, in which the e-commerce giant has pitted different locales against each other for the right to build a second headquarters.

Weighing the triangle

While not as high-profile an effort as Amazon's campaign, Apple has made it clear at the start of 2018 that they're looking for a new location outside of California to build a significant presence.

The Research Triangle area of North Carolina, consisting of Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill, emerged in the spring as the favorite, with reports in early June that an announcement of a deal was "imminent."

But no such announcement ever came, and a report last weekend stated that Apple was continuing to eye the region but is concerned about some constitutional amendments under consideration in North Carolina. The state is weighing amendments on voter identification, as well as on efforts to take some appointment powers away from the state's governor and give it to the legislature.

Apple already operates a data center in the state, as well as solar farms and several Apple Stores. In 2016, Apple was one of several tech companies to assail North Carolina for its passage of a "bathroom bill," although the law was later amended.



18 Comments

libertyandfree 11 Years · 192 comments

"It'll be terrible from a housing perspective. We have not planned ahead for that," Mai Thi Nyguen, a professor of city and regional planning at the University of North Carolina, told U.S. News.  This guy is stuck on stupid.

FYI, it's interesting the article says the median house price has increased by 50% over last 5 years but I can tell the price of a given house (not a median) has increased maybe 20% over that same period - I know because I live there and you can check Zillow as well.  The RTP area has very affordable housing and does anyone really think Apple adding 5,000 jobs over a few years to a region of 2.1M people is a big problem?  Keep in mind the brainiacs at UNC also wanted all of us out of the suburbs and back into the city because we were ruining the environment.  Ever been to Raleigh and RTP, there are forests everywhere.    

randominternetperson 8 Years · 3101 comments

"It'll be terrible from a housing perspective. We have not planned ahead for that," Mai Thi Nyguen, a professor of city and regional planning at the University of North Carolina, told U.S. News.  This guy is stuck on stupid.

FYI, it's interesting the article says the median house price has increased by 50% over last 5 years but I can tell the price of a given house (not a median) has increased maybe 20% over that same period - I know because I live there and you can check Zillow as well.  The RTP area has very affordable housing and does anyone really think Apple adding 5,000 jobs over a few years to a region of 2.1M people is a big problem?  Keep in mind the brainiacs at UNC also wanted all of us out of the suburbs and back into the city because we were ruining the environment.  Ever been to Raleigh and RTP, there are forests everywhere.    

Aren't they talking about more like 20,000 jobs (or even more) which translates to some multiple of that for new residents (other family members)?

In any case, the quotes in the article don't sound like "opposition" so much as cautionary advice to the decision makers.  "If Apple comes here, you'll need to invest in schools and other infrastructure and plan to approve more housing."  That sounds reasonable to me.

libertyandfree 11 Years · 192 comments

"It'll be terrible from a housing perspective. We have not planned ahead for that," Mai Thi Nyguen, a professor of city and regional planning at the University of North Carolina, told U.S. News.  This guy is stuck on stupid.

FYI, it's interesting the article says the median house price has increased by 50% over last 5 years but I can tell the price of a given house (not a median) has increased maybe 20% over that same period - I know because I live there and you can check Zillow as well.  The RTP area has very affordable housing and does anyone really think Apple adding 5,000 jobs over a few years to a region of 2.1M people is a big problem?  Keep in mind the brainiacs at UNC also wanted all of us out of the suburbs and back into the city because we were ruining the environment.  Ever been to Raleigh and RTP, there are forests everywhere.    
Aren't they talking about more like 20,000 jobs (or even more) which translates to some multiple of that for new residents (other family members)?

In any case, the quotes in the article don't sound like "opposition" so much as cautionary advice to the decision makers.  "If Apple comes here, you'll need to invest in schools and other infrastructure and plan to approve more housing."  That sounds reasonable to me.

Where in the world does 20,000 jobs come from?  The number has been up to 5,000 jobs and many of these will be filled by current people in the area, not all new residents.  Wake County has been dealing with similar population growth since the 1980's and they know how to handle it - this is not a new issue so why is it now a concern?  A bigger concern for the area is lack of adequate fresh water supply since the liberals in this state hate the idea of making new lakes or enlarging the current ones.  Fortunately, we have not had a drought the last few years but when they arrive the situation gets pretty bad and the obstructionists to progress only solution is to stop population growth.   

ronn 20 Years · 688 comments

"It'll be terrible from a housing perspective. We have not planned ahead for that," Mai Thi Nyguen, a professor of city and regional planning at the University of North Carolina, told U.S. News.  This guy is stuck on stupid.

FYI, it's interesting the article says the median house price has increased by 50% over last 5 years but I can tell the price of a given house (not a median) has increased maybe 20% over that same period - I know because I live there and you can check Zillow as well.  The RTP area has very affordable housing and does anyone really think Apple adding 5,000 jobs over a few years to a region of 2.1M people is a big problem?  Keep in mind the brainiacs at UNC also wanted all of us out of the suburbs and back into the city because we were ruining the environment.  Ever been to Raleigh and RTP, there are forests everywhere.    

It doesn't help your point of view when you can't even get the gender of Nguyen right. She's a specialist in Housing and Community Development that lives in works in North Carolina. And as another poster already wrote, she doesn't so much oppose the Apple campus; she's really advocating that the state takes care to accommodate the needs an influx of workers will require -- it doesn't matter if it's 5K or 20K, there will be an impact. This is especially true for infrastructure and the potentially negative outcome for residents, current and future.

edited to correct professor Nguyen's name.

temperor 6 Years · 78 comments

Let's even say 10 000 ... really on a population of 2 milj. ... and let's not forget, there would be probably a much lower migration attached to it as I'm sure there would be lots of skilled workers Apple could hire locally.
Sorry this is pure media attention, these specialists (and I do not doubt their skills) have a way of getting their 5 minutes of attention. They probably need another research grant, such a shame they abuse the situation for their personal agenda.