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An interview previously recorded with Apple CEO Tim Cook at Apple Park aired on Sunday night, with the executive telling Axios' Ina Fried and Mike Allen that he sees privacy regulation of tech as an inevitability.
Fried challenged Cook to answer why Apple takes Google's money to be the default search engine when Google's business explicitly relies on making money off of user data.
"We've been having a national discussion on tech and privacy, you guys have been a loud proponent of privacy, it fits in well with what you do," asked Fried. "How concerning is to you that even if it's other people's technology, Facebook, Google, whomever, it's happening still on your devices?"
Tim Cook reiterated that privacy is a core value, not ancillary to their business, and he named some of the features Apple implemented to act on that core value.
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"It's not that it fits in with what we do, it's that this is a core value of ours," said Cook. "If you look back over time, we were talking about privacy well before iPhone, so we've always believed that privacy was at the core of our civil liberties. This is not a matter of privacy versus profits or privacy versus technical innovation, that's a false choice. What we've done is, your device has incredible intelligence about you, but I don't have to have all of that as a company."
Fried pushed back, asking about Google's positioning as the search engine for iOS.
"You don't directly have a big advertising business or make a lot of money off the data, but Google pays you on the order of billions of dollars a year to be the default search engine and they do have that business," pressed Fried. "If you really want the user to be totally free, why take that money?"
"Well, one, I think their search engine is the best, and that's very important, but two, look at what we've done with the controls that we've built in. We have private web browsing. We have an intelligent tracker prevention," answered Cook. "So what we've tried to do is come up with ways to help our users through the course of their day, and it is not a perfect thing, I'd be the very first person to say that. But it goes along way to helping."
Then the discussion turned to government regulation of user privacy.
"So, there's broad support for more federal regulation of tech," asked Mike Allen. "Do you think that's inevitable?"
"Generally speaking, I am not a big fan of regulation, I'm a big believer in the free market, but we have to admit when the free market's not working, and it hasn't worked here," responded Cook. "I think it's inevitable that there will be some level of regulation."
Cook has spoken in favor of federal regulation in the past and called for the US to consider legislation, outlining four key points that any legislation should contain.
In this interview on the Apple Park campus, Cook discussed his screentime habits. Cook also continued to position Augmented Reality as a game-changing technology, by demonstrating an AR landscaping application for positioning of trees in AR on the Apple Park lawn.
"Technology should amplify human performance and human experiences, and AR arguably does an unbelievable job at that, and I think it's going to change everything," Cook reiterated on the AR. "I think in a few years, we're not going to be able to imagine our lives without [augmented reality]. It's that profound a platform."
Cook was also asked about the male-dominated workforce and ensuing culture in Silicon Valley. Apple's CEO is expecting change on that front, soon.
"I think the Valley has been open and accepting to many different people from many different walks of life, but I agree 100% from a gender point of view that the Valley has missed it, and tech in general has missed it," said Cook. "I know for one, we spend a lot of energy on this, and are constantly asking ourselves how can we improve more and listening to what our folks tell us, and I got to believe other folks are doing this too, so I'm actually encouraged at this point, that there will be more marked improvement over time."
Axios teased the interview earlier on Sunday. At present, the full interview is not available on any venue other than HBO streaming services.
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Google and Facebook make most of their money by invading user privacy so I doubt there will be any legislation putting controls on those companies. Making huge sums of money is always more important than protecting privacy. Big investors know that those two companies are using private data to make money for shareholders. Big investors will fight hard to stop any legislation or regulation. Google and Facebook are huge contributors to top people in Washington and they're likely paying those people off to look the other way when it comes to protecting privacy. I think Tim Cook is fighting a losing battle. Too many people hate Apple to back Tim Cook's fight for personal privacy. As far as users are concerned, most Facebook and Google app users simply don't care about their own privacy and are likely happy to have their personal data spread all over the internet as long as they get free use of Facebook's and Google services. From what I've seen there are very few people who care about protecting their privacy. Even when data leaks are discovered, very few subscribers delete their accounts. Being part of a social group is much more important to them
Look at all those active listening devices people are putting in their homes and apartments in almost every room. Do you really think those people care anything about personal privacy? Amazon is being praised constantly for putting hundreds of thousands of listening devices into people's homes and apartments. I sure don't want those things listening to me 24/7 as it makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable. Most people don't think that way. I don't know where all that bugged data is going. I figure if people are happily putting those active listening devices in their homes, then they don't care who's listening. They're basically inviting Big Brother into their homes. Tim Cook is all out there by himself will little backing from other companies. I guess the attitudes of citizens in the U.S. are different from those citizens in Europe when it comes to privacy. Actually, I would have thought European citizens would be more liberal when it comes to privacy.
Many analysts believe both Google and Amazon will be bigger than Apple because those companies can harvest personal data from billions of people and turn it into company wealth. It makes sense. Those data harvesting companies are turning personal info into gold and they don't have to produce anything because those users are their valuable product. Big investors are laughing all the way to the bank.
IMO the question about using google as a standard search engine is a good one and wasn’t properly answered (unless you imply it’s simply about the money). The fact that there hs been already something on the market never really stopped Apple from going in. See maps, pay, news and others. Why not start their own search engine? They have the resources to do so. Possibly base it off DuckDuckGo eg. do they want to stay away because it would inevitably interfere with their core value of privacy - in other words: it cannot be done without selling out on this value? Personally, I would opt in an Apple search in a heartbeat, and it might help with stuff like Siri as well.