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Goldman Sachs rankles at Apple Card's 'created by Apple, not a bank' line

Apple's advertising does prominently feature Goldman Sachs, just not quite at the top of the screen

The investment bank Goldman Sachs has reminded financial analysts that it developed and is making all the decisions about Apple Card.

It's no secret that multinational financial business Goldman Sachs is the bank behind Apple Card, but the company wants to be clear that it's in charge. In a session with analysts during its legally-required financial earnings call, Goldman Sachs's Chief Financial Officer Stephen Scherr alluded to Apple's branding and advertising.

"I want to be really clear on this," Scherr told analyst Gerard Cassidy from RBC, "notwithstanding whoever lays claim to the creation of the card. There's only one institution that's making underwriting decisions, and that's Goldman Sachs."

"We have set targets and goals and objectives along with Apple as a good partner would," he continued, "and Apple is completely in the know as to sort of how we are going about these underwriting decisions."

"But the ultimate decision sits with us and so we calibrate, manage our risk and collections in the context of that. And so I think I just want to be really clear about that, it is the bank that renders underwriting decisions in that regard," he concluded.

It's known that Goldman Sachs has invested heavily on developing Apple Card — and spends $350 for every signup — but according to Business Insider, the company also delayed many other projects as it reassigned its engineers to the project.

The company's policies for determining credit limits has come under attack from politicians.



51 Comments

iOS_Guy80 5 Years · 905 comments

Give me a break. Goldman may be making the “financial” aspect decision regarding the Apple Card. The app design, user interface, intuitive user experience and creative aspect of the app, is all Apple.

Rayz2016 8 Years · 6957 comments

iOS_Guy80 said:
Give me a break. Goldman may be making the “financial” aspect decision regarding the Apple Card. The app design, user interface, intuitive user experience and creative aspect of the app, is all Apple.

Exactly.

I imagine that Apple could have taken the idea to pretty much any credit card company.

seanj 16 Years · 322 comments

"The first thing you need to know about Goldman Sachs is that it's everywhereThe world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."

Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone Magazine, 2009

red oak 13 Years · 1104 comments

Yes, Goldman is the underwriter.  They are effectively the backend processor and determine credit limits and (likely) handle customer service issues - all the back office aspects of the card.  It is Apple's brand, customer and user experience though.   I bet Apple gets a MUCH HIGHER % of the revenue than Goldman.   Let's see Goldman try to launch a card on its own.   It would be an epic failure.   But Apple could swap Goldman out anytime with a number of different providers in 3 months 

Also, this $350 estimated acquisition cost for each Apple Card user came from the idiot analyst at Nomura who has had a $230 price target on Apple until today.  I bet the vast majority of signups are generated by people simply opening their Wallet app  (aka. almost "free" customer acquisition)

CloudTalkin 5 Years · 916 comments

iOS_Guy80 said:
Give me a break. Goldman may be making the “financial” aspect decision regarding the Apple Card. The app design, user interface, intuitive user experience and creative aspect of the app, is all Apple.

I think you may be focusing on the wrong end of the stick.  Goldman is where the pointy end lies... in your finances. Their emphasis on the financial aspects of the card, although understandable since they are a financial institution, should make you look closely at the pointy end more than the other end.  You know, just to make sure they aren't close to sticking it in your neck.  The app design, user interface, intuitive user experience, and creatives aspects of the app won't mean diddly if Goldman is unhappy about the financial aspects of the card.  They control that.  Pretty sure they have profit goals for that card.  Pretty sure they're going to make sure they hit them.  To be fair, they may hit their profit goals and be beneficial to the customer at the same time.  But if they can't do both, they're sure to do one of 'em.