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Apple calls Epic Games 'self-serving' in Australia hearing

Still from Epic Games "Free Fortnite" video

Apple has described "Fortnite" developer Epic Games as a Goliath whose Australia case is not aimed at helping local developers, but is rather a "self-serving" attempt to change the App Store.

In the latest stage of the long-running dispute between Epic Games and Apple, Australia's federal court is determining whether to postpone a case. Apple has previously asked for the case there to be dismissed entirely, but is now asking for at least a stay. At stake is whether Australian authorities will postpone their case until after the US one is concluded.

According to The Guardian, the court held a session on Tuesday to hear arguments from both parties. Epic Games argued that it is challenging Apple on behalf of app developers everywhere, including Australia. Central to Apple's position is that Epic Games had previously agreed to litigate in America.

"You have a sophisticated commercial entity that sought and obtained access to Apple's intellectual property and all of the benefits of access to Apple's software and hardware, exploited that opportunity to great effect for many years," Apple's barrister, Stephen Free SC said, "and the essence of the dispute... is that Epic wants to redefine the terms of access in quite fundamental and self-serving ways."

"Epic wants to ignore its... contractual promise to litigate only in the northern district of California," he continued. He further said that the App Store changes Epic Games sought would fundamentally affect Apple's business model, which is built "around prioritising quality, security, and privacy of these operating systems."

In return, Epic Games barrister Neil Young QC, spoke to the issue of litigating only in the northern district of California. "Mandatory and protective laws of this forum... override any private choice of jurisdiction," he said.

"The issue is the impact on Australian markets and whether the requirements of our law are satisfied," he continued. "It is a pretty straightforward case, and we would think the evidence is clear this conduct is going to substantially impact these markets in the way we allege."

The court has yet to decide on whether to postpone the case. However, Justice Nye Perram said that he would deliver his decision "pretty promptly."

Apple versus Epic Games is due to go to trial in the US on May 3.



16 Comments

qwerty52 367 comments · 7 Years

Guys as Sweeney and Zuckerberg, are pretending to protect something nobody asked for. 
They are attacking Apple, hiding behind the “SMALL BUSINESSES and “DEVELOPERS”, in attempt to cover the problems they have with their own companies. This guys full of complexes, never admitting they have make wrong decisions as CEO’s, are trying now to prove themselves how great they are.
But Zuckerberg already have changed the tune. Curious when and how Sweeney will do

gerrit 29 comments · 11 Years

Around the world Apple is currently being investigated in 8 different antitrust investigations, has already been found guilty of antitrust violations for their iBooks Store in the US, and in 2019 lost a Supreme Court ruling on how the App Store is run (Apple v. Pepper). Epic may be self-serving, but most developers I know agree that Epic is on the right side of this and are hoping that Epic wins. Self-serving or not, they're on the side of the developers. The big question is really if anti-trust legislation will force Apple to change before the lawsuit is even decided.

CheeseFreeze 1339 comments · 7 Years

gerrit said:
Around the world Apple is currently being investigated in 8 different antitrust investigations, has already been found guilty of antitrust violations for their iBooks Store in the US, and in 2019 lost a Supreme Court ruling on how the App Store is run (Apple v. Pepper). Epic may be self-serving, but most developers I know agree that Epic is on the right side of this and are hoping that Epic wins. Self-serving or not, they're on the side of the developers. The big question is really if anti-trust legislation will force Apple to change before the lawsuit is even decided.

Amen. Well said.

nht 4491 comments · 14 Years

gerrit said:
Epic may be self-serving, but most developers I know agree that Epic is on the right side of this and are hoping that Epic wins. Self-serving or not, they're on the side of the developers. 

BS.  As a small developer I have problems with discovery but at least I don’t have to worry as much about wholesale theft and seeing my apks appear for free on 3rd party “stores” with Trojans inside.

Only server based apps are immune.

Epic’s play is entirely self serving.

maximara 409 comments · 15 Years

gerrit said:
Around the world Apple is currently being investigated in 8 different antitrust investigations, has already been found guilty of antitrust violations for their iBooks Store in the US, and in 2019 lost a Supreme Court ruling on how the App Store is run (Apple v. Pepper). Epic may be self-serving, but most developers I know agree that Epic is on the right side of this and are hoping that Epic wins. Self-serving or not, they're on the side of the developers. The big question is really if anti-trust legislation will force Apple to change before the lawsuit is even decided.

Apple v. Pepper only determined the right for people to have bring class action suits and it was a 5-4 in any case.. "Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote the dissenting opinion, joined by Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Thomas and Alito, arguing that the majority's interpretation of Illinois Brick goes against previous principles and long-standing antitrust regulations."

The US Supreme Court can make boneheaded rulings   Another 5-4 one was the now infamous Kelo v. City of New London.  All these years later then the promised economic development has not materialized and the city is out the property taxes it would have earned over the years.