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Apple's iPhone processor evolution hints at how powerful the 'M2' will be

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We don't know how powerful or power-efficient Apple's rumored "M2" chip will be, but past Apple Silicon generational leaps could provide a hint, a new report claims.

Apple is largely expected to debut an "M2" Mac chip later in 2022. Though there are some rumors concerning the upgrades it'll bring to the Mac, a MacWorld writer believes it's possible to get a clearer idea at how much of an upgrade the "M2" will be by examining Apple's A-series chips.

The report starts with the premise that the M2 chip will be akin to what the M1 as the A15 Bionic was to the A14 Bionic. From there, he extrapolates how the "M2" could look based on a similar jump.

"The M1 is based on the basic architecture of the A14, scaled up with double the number of high-performance CPU cores (four instead of two) and double the GPU cores (eight instead of four)," he wrote. "It is, for lack of a better explanation, the 'A14X' that otherwise would've been in the iPad Pro."

Basically, the argument is that the next-generation chip will sport double the number of high-performance cores and double the GPU cores.

"In trying to predict the M2's features and performance, we will operate on the assumption that it will follow a similar pattern, only this time with the A15: the same architecture with twice the high-performance cores and GPU cores," Cross continued.

Using the A14 and A15 as a base, MacWorld then extrapolated how much of a performance jump the new "M2" could bring to the Mac. According to benchmark estimates, it could be a significant jump.

As the piece points out, a score over 14,000 for the "M2 Max" could put it well ahead of Intel's latest and greatest Alder Lake Core i9. Of course, the "M2 Max" will also likely be much more power efficient.

Additionally, the extrapolated data also shows significant gains in graphics performance, including a 10,409 score on 3DMark, up from 7,781 on the M1.

MacWorld notes that it didn't account for any performance gains from improved manufacturing processes, since there isn't a way to extrapolate or quantify what that could look like.

Of course, the estimates are just rough predictions. Because of that, the estimated scores and gains should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.

Whether or not the performance on the "M2" looks anything like the extrapolated data remains to be seen, as the architectures are not identical, nor are the intended use cases.



20 Comments

mtanika 7 Years · 16 comments

Most are guessing M2 will be an enhanced M1 using ARMv9.

blastdoor 15 Years · 3603 comments

mtanika said:
Most are guessing M2 will be an enhanced M1 using ARMv9.

"most"? I hadn't heard that, other than a few random speculators in comments around here. 

I'm skeptical it will be ARMv9, and I think it's very possible Apple will never use ARMv9, simply because they might have no need to. 

I think the MacWorld article is pretty reasonable and if it's wrong, the most likely way to be wrong is for the M2 to be based on the A16 rather than the A15. 

bsimpsen 14 Years · 401 comments

I don't know the particulars of Apple's ARM architecture license, but if royalty payments for older versions decline over time, or if payments for new versions increase over time, there's financial incentive for Apple to drift away from ARM into its own custom designs. Whether the ARM design teams can keep Apple interested is an open question.

Prometheu 2 Years · 21 comments

Those are decent gains considering the A15 is pretty long in the tooth for the 5nm process. I doubt they will produce an M2 Pro/Max chip at all. The M1 Pro/Max is still plenty impressive, and there are still machines yet to come that will feature these chips and variants of them.

Probably Apple will not update the M1 Pro/Max until the 3nm process in late 2023.

tenthousandthings 17 Years · 1060 comments

blastdoor said:

I think the MacWorld article is pretty reasonable and if it's wrong, the most likely way to be wrong is for the M2 to be based on the A16 rather than the A15. 

Yes, the author sidestepped that by saying the M2 will be on the N4P process and telling us how much of an improvement that is expected to be over the (N5) process of the A14 & M1, but he does it without mentioning that the A15 is on the N5P process, not the N4P, so his comparison between A14 and A15, while useful, only goes so far.

The other thing that I’d quibble with is the assumptions he makes about Apple’s ability to compete with high-end desktop GPUs — I mean, that remains to be seen. I don’t think it’s coincidental that Apple announced a ray-tracing Metal API at WWDC 2020, with development active and ongoing. You might want to wait until Apple releases an actual Pro desktop M1 graphics configuration before you start making assumptions about how far behind the competition they are…