Apple Pay antitrust lawsuit accuses Apple of coercing consumers, excessive fees

This is another of those delusional lawsuits. No one forces me or any other iPhone/Apple Watch owner to use Apple Pay! This, in part at least, has occurred because of the excess number of ambulance chasers (lawyers) in the US who lay in wait to seduce naive and foolish consumers into a lawsuit whose fees will only be paid if they "win". There are more lawyers per capita in the US than in any other country in the world and Apple, because of its success, has the biggest target painted on its back that any company has ever had!. Any payment system that collects and remits payments deserves to earn a small fee. The idea that because Apple has made such large profits that anything it does MUST be anticompetitive and a violation of Sherman antitrust laws - a law that is so out of date for the times that it ought to be repealed or at least modernized - is delusional. I am not sure the same doesn't apply to the judge who was foolish enough to allow the suit to proceed. It is absolutely disgusting!

I think consumers should sue law schools for putting out a lousy product and driving costs up for everyone be sure companies like Apple have to defend these stupid suits all habe time. 

camber said:

This is another of those delusional lawsuits. No one forces me or any other iPhone/Apple Watch owner to use Apple Pay! This, in part at least, has occurred because of the excess number of ambulance chasers (lawyers) in the US who lay in wait to seduce naive and foolish consumers into a lawsuit whose fees will only be paid if they "win". There are more lawyers per capita in the US than in any other country in the world and Apple, because of its success, has the biggest target painted on its back that any company has ever had!. Any payment system that collects and remits payments deserves to earn a small fee. The idea that because Apple has made such large profits that anything it does MUST be anticompetitive and a violation of Sherman antitrust laws - a law that is so out of date for the times that it ought to be repealed or at least modernized - is delusional. I am not sure the same doesn't apply to the judge who was foolish enough to allow the suit to proceed. It is absolutely disgusting!

Did we read the same article?  I ask because the arguments you're making aren't based on the information presented in the article.  

You:  "No one forces me or any other iPhone/Apple Watch owner to use Apple Pay!"
Article: "The judge threw out a tying claim that accused Apple of requiring iPhone owners to use Apple Pay and forego other wallets." - So the claim you're arguing against isn't even part of the lawsuit. 

The entirety of the rest of your argument falls flat because it's primarily misleading and deflective.  The complaint alleges Apple's conduct forces more than 4,000 banks and credit unions that use Apple Pay to pay at least $1 billion in excess fees.  This is a B2B issue, not a consumer facing issue.  Nothing in your argument even comes close to addressing the actual issues raised in the suit.  Seems as if you found a convenient soapbox for your opinions, regardless of whether or not they relate to the topic. 

You spend billions in R&D to build an enticing product line and ecosystem.

CloudTalkin said:

camber said:

This is another of those delusional lawsuits. No one forces me or any other iPhone/Apple Watch owner to use Apple Pay! This, in part at least, has occurred because of the excess number of ambulance chasers (lawyers) in the US who lay in wait to seduce naive and foolish consumers into a lawsuit whose fees will only be paid if they "win". There are more lawyers per capita in the US than in any other country in the world and Apple, because of its success, has the biggest target painted on its back that any company has ever had!. Any payment system that collects and remits payments deserves to earn a small fee. The idea that because Apple has made such large profits that anything it does MUST be anticompetitive and a violation of Sherman antitrust laws - a law that is so out of date for the times that it ought to be repealed or at least modernized - is delusional. I am not sure the same doesn't apply to the judge who was foolish enough to allow the suit to proceed. It is absolutely disgusting!

Did we read the same article?  I ask because the arguments you're making aren't based on the information presented in the article.  

You:  "No one forces me or any other iPhone/Apple Watch owner to use Apple Pay!"
Article: "The judge threw out a tying claim that accused Apple of requiring iPhone owners to use Apple Pay and forego other wallets." - So the claim you're arguing against isn't even part of the lawsuit. 

The entirety of the rest of your argument falls flat because it's primarily misleading and deflective.  The complaint alleges Apple's conduct forces more than 4,000 banks and credit unions that use Apple Pay to pay at least $1 billion in excess fees.  This is a B2B issue, not a consumer facing issue.  Nothing in your argument even comes close to addressing the actual issues raised in the suit.  Seems as if you found a convenient soapbox for your opinions, regardless of whether or not they relate to the topic. 

I see what you mean and thought the same, to a point on first read of the article and the comment, but on a second read there are plenty of 'consumer' facing references in the article and I imagine the suit too. 

The part that references having a claim thrown out seems to imply that it was just a part and the rest is moving forward as planned. 

I've long rejected Apple's claim that Apple doesn't harm competition with Apple Pay and have only seen that stance harden.

Just recently I had to setup a new iPhone and the setup process definitely pushes the user to include cards in Apple Wallet/ Pay.