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ARM processor for Macs coming in 2020 or 2021, Apple car in 2023 says Ming-Chi Kuo

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The symbiotic relationship between Apple and TSMC is expected to continue for at least five years, with chips from the foundry expected to pop up in Macs no later than 2021, and in Apple's long-awaited car effort between 2023 and 2025, if Ming-Chi Kuo is correct.

In a note to investors seen by AppleInsider, Ming-Chi Kuo of TF Securities expects that TSMC will continue to be the sole supplier for both the "A13" in 2019 and "A14" in 2020. Kuo also predicts that Mac models will adopt Apple's A-series processor in some form starting 2020 or 2021, with four benefits predicted.

The main benefit for Apple would be a "full-stack" control of all of the Mac, like it has for the iPhone and iPad. Additionally, it could reap lower expenses associated with building a Mac, and glean a higher market share from a potentially lower price. A fourth factor, differentiation from competitors' products is a double-edged sword, however, as an ARM processor would cut back on virtualization solutions that the "pro" market sometimes rely on.

The shift to an ARM Mac has been predicted for some time. The shift won't be immediate, and will likely start on Apple's low-end, like the MacBook and possibly a Mac mini migration.

Kuo also believes that Apple's advanced driver assistance systems in a still-evolving Apple Car project will get a TSMC chip at launch at some point between 2023 and 2025, with it supporting either high automation of driver's tasks, or complete automation, including navigation and driving.

Wednesday's note also reiterates previous remarks Kuo has made about the iPhone XR. Kuo believes that Apple will sell up to 83 million iPhones in total in the company's first fiscal quarter, which ends on December 31. This is an improvement from Kuo's previous prediction of up to 80 million, which was on the table prior to Monday's note.

Additionally, the iPhone XR is expected to defeat a "low seasonality" after the holiday quarter. Instead of a near-50 percent drop that the iPhone 8 saw after the holiday, Kuo believes that the iPhone XR is expected to only drop 30 percent, a favorable comparison to the overall industry's about 40 percent drop.



63 Comments

maestro64 5029 comments · 19 Years

I think we have a person connect dots from the past and extrapolating them into the future and making some predictions.

evilution 1395 comments · 13 Years

I thought Kuo was done spouting stuff he made up about Apple?

ascii 5930 comments · 19 Years

I wish Apple would be a bit more aggressive about moving the Mac to ARM. I have been through processor transitions with Apple before and they were not painful.

Perhaps they are waiting until the ARM processors are fast enough not just to run desktop apps (which they probably already are) but also to run a Rosetta style Intel emulator.

djames4242 654 comments · 14 Years

...an ARM processor would cut back on virtualization solutions that the "pro" market sometimes rely on...

Absolutely this. I've been able to replace my company-provided crappy HP and Dell machines with Macs over the years because I'm able to virtualize Windows for certain corporate applications that require it, as well as for being able to compile code that targets the Windows Server environment. I also virtualize Linux frequently as my development needs require. The loss of Intel CPUs powering Macs will render virtualizing impossible, at least for Windows, and we'll have to see how well the Apple processors are able to run emulation in place of virtualization.

qwwera 282 comments · 8 Years

Arm chips of course. Absolutely happen.

Car? I don’t think so. There is something so cool in a company that can sell high margin items in tiny little boxes that can be shipped via ups and fed ex and returned the same way vs something that has so many liabilities, needs tires, upholstery, brakes and servicing in garages and all the headaches that go with that. Yeah no way. This is the Apple TV all over again.

Let’s remember Ford is stopping car production to focus mostly on trucks and commercial vehicles. Tesla is not making any money really. A car factory? Where? China? The US?

It just sounds like a terrible idea all the way around.