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With Apple 5G modem likely in 2021, prospects for 5G iPhone in 2020 'in jeopardy'

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Apple is running up against pre-production deadlines to have an 5G modem in the 2020 iPhone, so it may wait until Apple is done with an in-house solution in 2021 a UBS analyst said on Wednesday.

"Barring settlement w/QCOM [Qualcomm] in the next few months, field work suggests Apple is increasingly in jeopardy of being unable to ship a 5G iPhone in 2020," wrote UBS' Timothy Arcuri. Intel likely won't be ready with a single-chip, backwards-compatible 5G modem in time, he continued, asserting that alternatives like Samsung and Mediatek are either "technically or practically" outside Apple's wheelhouse.

Arcuri reiterated his belief that Apple is working on a self-designed modem for 2021, and that Intel should sell its modem operation, possibly even to its current largest client, Apple. iPhones are now almost entirely based on Intel modems, the only exceptions being to skirt bans because of the ongoing legal war between Apple and Qualcomm.

Apple has reportedly been restructuring its internal hardware teams, possibly with a 5G modem in mind. Senior VP of hardware technologies Johny Srouji is allegedly overseeing that modem design, but it's unknown how far along development might be. Apple has been designing other chips for about a decade, such as A-series processors and W-series wireless modules.

Intel's 5G model will appear first in backbone and other commercial gear in 2019. The first consumer phones with Intel 5G modems are expected in 2020, which casts doubt on UBS claims. To be in an iPhone however, modem samples will have to arrive in time for testing, integration, and optimization, and at present it isn't clear where Intel and Apple are on that timeline.

Tangentially, Arcuri said that UBS is estimating that about 470 million of the 900 million iPhones in Apple's install base are "firsthand" purchases, "and thus the proper denominator against which to estimate upgrade rate." The firm calculates that of 204 million iPhones sold in 2018, 140 million were upgrades, giving Apple a rate of 3.4 years.

"While it is possible/likely this continues to lengthen, AAPL remains steadfast in its estimate that actual upgrade rates are [less than] 3 yrs which suggest we are now actually below full replacement rates - a factor which should soften any potential impact from the lack of a true 5G phone in 2020," the analyst commented.

He estimated that there could be as many as 185 million iPhone 5, 5s, 5c, SE, 4S, and 4 units in use, most of them secondhand, though they could be a "big opportunity over the coming years maybe catalyzed by creative lease/service offerings."

Today, the "realistic pool for services engagement" is between 500 and 600 million iPhones, Arcuri said, arguing that penetration by Apple TV Channels and Apple TV+ will be "deeper and faster" than Apple Music.

UBS is holding a "buy" rating for Apple stock with a $215 price target.



41 Comments

wood1208 10 Years · 2938 comments

Don't believe what you read or hear. Apple can get 5G modem chips from other manufacturers like MediaTek,Samsung. And if Intel can offer 5G modem engineering development sample chip in early 2019 than Intel will have iPhone ready 5G chip for 2020. Based on past experience, Intel knows not to loose Apple's business and will make it happen no matter what.
Furthermore, rumor about 2020 iphones with screen sizes 5.42-inch, 6.06-inch and 6.67-inch diagonally will make it perfect upgrade for millions of iPhone users holding on to older iPhones. The 5.42 screen(in iphone 6/7/8 4.7" frame) is new smaller 4" replacement iPhone, 6.06 is new XR, 6.67 MAX is even bigger. Every such news is rumor/fake until it really happens.

Soli 9 Years · 9981 comments

2021 is fine at this point. There's no evidence that even a single city will have sufficient coverage to make '5G' viable. This tech has a lot of downsides in terms of geography and physical obstacles. Does no one remember the issues with getting '3G' and '4G' with a wider spectrums rolled out in cities?

i was here and recall both the people complaining about a lack of coverage in an area and not wanting cell towers to ruin their neighborhood views, to the legal red tape that made new towers in SF hard to pass to the relatively easy cities like Houston.

cornchip 11 Years · 1943 comments

“In jeopardy”... whooh, sky’s fallin you guys! 

Will the 5G networks even be ready by then? I barely have 4G where I live (USA). Sometimes get dropped to EDGE. my guess is there’s plenty of time to get 5G in phones. But I’m far from an expert on the matter.

”penetration... deeper and faster” 🤨🙄😑

also, AI, do you have a misslinked word there?

hammeroftruth 16 Years · 1356 comments

Soli said:
2021 is fine at this point. There's no evidence that even a single city will have sufficient coverage to make '5G' viable. This tech has a lot of downsides in terms of geography. and physical obstacles. Does no one remember the issues with getting '3G' and '4G' with a wider spectrums rolled out in cities?

Exactly, this is a deja vu moment when in 2011 everyone was complaining that the iPhone 4S didn’t have LTE so it was going to be a failure. There was only 1 device, the HTC Thunderbolt that was readily available that was capable of using LTE, but hardly any network had significant coverage.  That device was so power hungry, that CNET tried to test its ability to navigate in a car using its LTE network and the device would drain faster than the car charger could charge it. 

I still say all of this 5G hype is part of Qualcomm’s plan to hammer Apple and the carriers plan to raise your currrent rate of your data plan. 

Fool me twice. 

gutengel 7 Years · 363 comments

What are you talking about?! 5G'e' is here! Working on my iPhoneX! Thanks to AT&T!!! I mean, my reception is terrible 60% of the time, but when it work it works on 5G'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'!