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Tested: Thermal throttling and performance in the eight-core 2019 MacBook Pro

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AppleInsider has the new eight-core 2019 MacBook Pro on hand. Given the drama surrounding the thermal condition in the six-core MacBook Pro when it launched in 2018, it's time to evaluate the thermal situation in the new high-end model that was a big issue for its predecessor.

The previous generation 2018 MacBook Pro with the i9 processor launched with a bug that would inadvertently slow down the processor lower than its rated speed, and not recover until the computer was under much less processing load. Apple quickly resolved the issue roughly a week later and sent out a formal apology. But, even with the patch, the enclosure is still very tight from a thermal standpoint.

When the 2019 MacBook Pro line was announced with an eight-core processor, it immediately sparked concern that this machine would be plagued by similar thermal issues due to the even higher heat output.

What is thermal design point?

The Thermal Design Point (TDP) is defined by Intel as the "average power the processor dissipates when operating at base frequency with all cores active under a high-complexity workload." That is a long way of saying it advises how hot a processor can get when running at its rated speed. It is also a measure of what, at a bare minimum, any given manufacturer has to, at a minimum, implement for a cooling system.

When a processor is cool, it is capable of exceeding its standard clock speed to the Turbo Boost speeds Apple and Intel advertise. This, of course, generates more heat above and beyond the TDP, and causes it to slow down back to an equilibrium state where it is generating as much heat as the chassis can dissipate.

If the heat is too great, the chip will drop below the normal operating speed — the speed Apple advertises for the machines — in order to prevent damage and cool down further. This is what you should think of when they think of thermal throttling and not the dip below the so-called "turbo" speeds, which every computer with a turbo speed has always had to do.

So, today's test is to see what that equilibrium speed under load is, and to see if the machine dips under the rated speed — just as we did with the 2018 MacBook Pros.

Procedure

For our test, we powered up Cinebench R20 and ran this comprehensive benchmark ten times, back to back. As soon as one test would end we would begin it again forcing the processor to constantly be under heavy load and pushing its thermal performance.

Simultaneously, we utilized Intel Power Gadget to monitor the clock speed and the frequency of the chipset.

We should see the processor quickly jump up to a turbo-boosted speed before subsiding back down to an equilibrium speed, balancing speed and the thermal condition. If there are thermal throttling issues within the 2019 MacBook Pro then we will see the temperature remain high and the speed dip below the advertised 2.4GHz frequency.

Hot silicon

After the ten iterations of our test, we saw the speed quickly hit 5GHz before it hit 100-degrees at which point it throttled back down. Instead of throttling down and hovering at the advertised speed of 2.4GHz, we are instead seeing it hover between the 2.9GHz and 3.0GHz instead — quite a bit higher than the rated clock speed, and frankly, a higher steady-state speed than we were expecting.

2019 MacBook Pro Thermal results 2019 MacBook Pro Thermal results

After running the test repeatedly, we averaged a score of 3096 on this machine in Cinebench R20 — well above the 2019 13-inch MacBook Pro with 2.4 GHz i5 processor we benchmarked that earned a 1779.

Our machine, for nearly all of our back-to-back tests sustained a 3.0GHz frequency with the temperature at around 94 degrees.

The core of the issue

Apple's 2016 MacBook Pro chassis was designed at the latest, in early 2016. We got the first glimpse of it in a photograph in May of 2016. It looks like Apple is sticking with a four-year chassis design, so it's entirely possible that this is the last year of this enclosure.

We aren't expecting a thicker machine.

We've also said this before — we think Apple got hosed by Intel, when they were gearing up for the 2016 MacBook Pro enclosure in 2015. We know that in 2015, Intel was promising delivery of 10nm process Core chips well before now. With any luck, Intel will finally deliver on its promises for a die-shrink that was expected nearly three years ago which will help alleviate the situation further. Or, maybe the next will be ARM-based — we don't know.

We also don't know exactly what Apple has done in the 2019 MacBook Pro to help the situation.

2018 vs 2019 MacBook Pro Internals 2018 vs 2019 MacBook Pro Internals

The heat piping is the same, the fan speeds are the same, the fan design is the same. The processor has the same TDP, and is the same die size as the 2018 six-core model.

But, whatever Apple has done is working. The 2018 six-core machine is still an amazingly powerful machine, even if thermal conditions inside the case pull it back from what it could be.

That limitation doesn't seem to exist in the new eight-core machine.

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49 Comments

lkrupp 19 Years · 10521 comments

And here’s another trope you see being plastered around by know-it-alls, that Apple’s thermals are atrocious and that their clock speeds never come up to the advertised rates. You see these posts on MacRumors, 9to5Mac, and others. No links, no proof, no tests, just questionable or outright disinformation posted as fact. AI tests the new machines and they are performing better than expected and not dropping below the advertised speed. The enclosure is the same so what’s different. Again the die has already been cast and the anonymous experts are trashing the thermals of the new models. 

JustSomeGuy1 6 Years · 330 comments

@AI, thank you, that was very useful, and quicker than I expected.
@Lkrupp, maybe some trolls are doing that, but it's still true that the current design is a poor choice if you're optimizing for performance. (It's a different story if you're optimizing for weight, battery life, etc.) It's also true that in the last couple of years, for the first time ever, other companies have been putting up legitimate contenders against Apple for the combined weight-batterylife-performance-style crown. In my opinion, Apple hasn't done too well on that front recently, though the latest macbook helps a lot. If I could get MacOS on another brand's hardware, I would seriously consider it, and I never felt that way previously. Of course I still won't, because Windows.

KITA 6 Years · 402 comments

lkrupp said:
And here’s another trope you see being plastered around by know-it-alls, that Apple’s thermals are atrocious and that their clock speeds never come up to the advertised rates. You see these posts on MacRumors, 9to5Mac, and others. No links, no proof, no tests, just questionable or outright disinformation posted as fact. AI tests the new machines and they are performing better than expected and not dropping below the advertised speed. Then enclosure is the same so what’s different. Again the die has already been cast and the anonymous experts are trashing the thermals of the new models. 

The advertised clock speed with all 8 cores isn't 2.4 GHz though. According to Notebookcheck, it's actually 4.2 GHz.

9980HK: On Coffee Lake architecture based processor for big and heavy laptops. Integrates eight processor cores clocked at 2.4 - 5 GHz (4.2 GHz with 8 cores) that support HyperThreading. Manufactured in an improved 14nm process (14nm++). Offers an unlocked multiplier that allows overclocking of the CPU.» Further information can be found in our Comparison of Mobile Processsors.

Based on the tests above it sits between 2.9 GHz and 3.0 GHz.

doozydozen 11 Years · 539 comments

KITA said:
lkrupp said:
And here’s another trope you see being plastered around by know-it-alls, that Apple’s thermals are atrocious and that their clock speeds never come up to the advertised rates. You see these posts on MacRumors, 9to5Mac, and others. No links, no proof, no tests, just questionable or outright disinformation posted as fact. AI tests the new machines and they are performing better than expected and not dropping below the advertised speed. Then enclosure is the same so what’s different. Again the die has already been cast and the anonymous experts are trashing the thermals of the new models. 
The advertised clock speed with all 8 cores isn't 2.4 GHz though. According to Notebookcheck, it's actually 4.2 GHz.

9980HK: On Coffee Lake architecture based processor for big and heavy laptops. Integrates eight processor cores clocked at 2.4 - 5 GHz (4.2 GHz with 8 cores) that support HyperThreading. Manufactured in an improved 14nm process (14nm++). Offers an unlocked multiplier that allows overclocking of the CPU.» Further information can be found in our Comparison of Mobile Processsors.

Based on the tests above it sits between 2.9 GHz and 3.0 GHz.

What?...
Apple ADVERTISES exactly 2.4GHz. SMH