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Microsoft to adopt app store guiding principles for Windows, but not Xbox

In a thinly veiled shot at Apple's App Store, Microsoft has adopted 10 guiding principles that it will apply to its Microsoft Store on Windows 10.

Microsoft has been critical of Apple's App Store and developer guidelines, specifically as they relate to the company's Xbox Game Pass cloud streaming service.

On Thursday, Microsoft published a list of principles that it says it will adopt for its Microsoft Store as a way to show it will "practice what we preach."

Some of the principles include not blocking rival app stores from Windows, not barring apps with alternate payment systems, and charging "reasonable fees that reflect the competition we face from other app stores on Windows."

"For software developers, app stores have become a critical gateway to some of the world's most popular digital platforms," Microsoft wrote. "We and others have raised questions and, at times, expressed concerns about app stores on other digital platforms."

On the other hand, Microsoft won't be applying those same principles to its Xbox system, claiming that "game consoles are specialized devices optimized for a particular use."

"Console makers such as Microsoft invest significantly in developing dedicated console hardware but sell them below cost or at very low margins to create a market that game developers and publishers can benefit from. Given these fundamental differences in the significance of the platform and the business model, we have more work to do to establish the right set of principles for game consoles," the company wrote.

The guiding principles that Microsoft says it will adopt are inspired and build upon the work of the Coalition for App Fairness, a nonprofit comprised of technology companies and advocates that push for freedom and choice and competition.

Some of the principles include ones that seem specifically aimed at Apple's guidelines, including allowing third-party app stores and not using an app's data to compete with them. Its members of the Coalition include companies that have had dust ups with Apple in the past, including Basecamp and Epic Games.

Microsoft executives have previously raised concerns about Apple's App Store policies to antitrust investigators. Company president Brad Smith has called for a formal antitrust review of the app marketplace, but doesn't believe that the Xbox game store needs similar review.

Similarly, the two companies are in the midst of a dustup due to Apple's prohibition of cloud-based streaming platforms. Microsoft has accused Apple of treating gaming apps "differently," and even after Apple loosened rules, the Windows maker said that they still make for a "bad experience."



28 Comments

xyzzy-xxx 6 Years · 201 comments

That’s the right way to go forward - Apple should adopt it.
I doubt that Apple would loose too much money by allowing 3rd party app stores - even if this would mean that the commission is going down.
Security should also remain intact, because 3rd party app stores would need to use install permissions granted by Apple (in contrast to jail breaking).

Rayz2016 8 Years · 6957 comments

xyzzy-xxx said:
That’s the right way to go forward - Apple should adopt it.
I doubt that Apple would loose too much money by allowing 3rd party app stores - even if this would mean that the commission is going down.
Security should also remain intact, because 3rd party app stores would need to use install permissions granted by Apple (in contrast to jail breaking).

Okay, so the app store is secure, but how does Apple know that the apps being sold in that store are secure?

It's easy for Microsoft to adopt these principles because their reputation isn't based around security and privacy for its customers.

Secondly, the comparison makes no sense: they're comparing their desktop operating system to a mobile operating system, which they have to do because their mobile platform crashed and burned.

Here's the real comparison: MacOS App Store and Windows 10

And whaddya know, we're looking at a completely empty gesture because you can get apps outside MacOS store and use a separate app store if you want to. (In fact lots of apps available on the Mac App store are also available on SetApp)

Punultimate 4 Years · 9 comments

Does that mean Windows 10S will allow third party app stores now? because if not this is all just talk about nothing changing and coming from a company that makes most of their money from software and subscription sales... not hardware 

xyzzy-xxx 6 Years · 201 comments

Rayz2016 said:
xyzzy-xxx said:
That’s the right way to go forward - Apple should adopt it.
I doubt that Apple would loose too much money by allowing 3rd party app stores - even if this would mean that the commission is going down.
Security should also remain intact, because 3rd party app stores would need to use install permissions granted by Apple (in contrast to jail breaking).
Okay, so the app store is secure, but how does Apple know that the apps being sold in that store are secure?

It's easy for Microsoft to adopt these principles because their reputation isn't based around security and privacy for its customers.

Secondly, the comparison makes no sense: they're comparing their desktop operating system to a mobile operating system, which they have to do because their mobile platform crashed and burned.

Here's the real comparison: MacOS App Store and Windows 10

And whaddya know, we're looking at a completely empty gesture because you can get apps outside MacOS store and use a separate app store if you want to. (In fact lots of apps available on the Mac App store are also available on SetApp)

Regarding app security: apple’s app store was never good in regarding this (think pasteboard sniffing) - the security gas to come from iOS itself (sandboxing and alerts when an app requests access to private data).

Regarding platforms - isn’t apple trying to make the iPad a desktop competitor - I think it’s perfectly reasonable that all platforms should be open to allow apps installed from different sources, it’s up to the user to decide whom to trust.

Beats 4 Years · 3073 comments

xyzzy-xxx said:
That’s the right way to go forward - Apple should adopt it.
I doubt that Apple would loose too much money by allowing 3rd party app stores - even if this would mean that the commission is going down.
Security should also remain intact, because 3rd party app stores would need to use install permissions granted by Apple (in contrast to jail breaking).

What a dumb idea. So Apple should go out of it's way and spend money on opening iOS to make it less secure WHY?

"3rd party app stores would need to use install permissions granted by Apple (in contrast to jail breaking)."

What an f'n joke. Now Apple needs to manage various App Stores at once. Again, WHY?