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Apple says Epic Games demands threaten iOS app security, privacy, quality

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As part of its opening arguments, Apple says that its policies protect the privacy, security, and quality of the App Store, and claims that Epic sued only because it no longer wanted to pay Apple's commissions.

The Apple v. Epic Games trial kicked off on Monday, May 3 with opening arguments from both sides. The case stems from a lawsuit that Epic Games lodged against Apple after it baited the company into removing "Fortnite" from the App Store.

In her opening statements for Apple, Karen Dunn offered a counter-narrative to Epic Games' argument. She says that "Fortnite" revenue had begun to stall, but instead of innovating, Epic turned to litigation. Instead of hiring engineers, Dunn said, "Epic invested in lawyers."

"Epic, a $28 billion company, has decided it doesn't want to pay for Apple's innovations anymore," Dunn said. "So Epic is here demanding that this court force Apple to let into its App Store untested and untrusted apps and app stores."

Privacy, security, and quality

Apple's lawyer argued that privacy and security on its platform dramatically outpaces it competitors. She also touted the opportunity that the App Store has created for developers while maintaining quality, trust-worthy apps for consumers

The in-app payment system that Epic is contesting, for example, was asked for specifically by developers as tool. Apple says that Epic Games wanted a "side deal" for itself. And, failing to get it, decided to bring a legal case against Apple.

Apple currently charges 30% on app and in-app purchases, which Dunn says is an industry standard. Since the majority of apps on the App Store are free, most developers don't pay Apple anything. Dunn also brought up the different ways developers can monetize, including in-app advertising.

Apple argues that Epic's market definition is too narrow

Additionally, Apple argues that Epic Games' definition of the market is too narrow because of multi-homing. She said that 95% of iOS users regularly use another device other than an iPhone, such as a Mac or a game console.

"The proposed market is too narrow because there are many, many, many platforms where consumers and developers engage in transactions: The Mac, iPhone or Android console to the PlayStation and the Nintendo Switch, which, by the way, does fit in your pocket."

The majority of "Fortnite" players are on other platforms, Dunn said. Apple's iOS ranks in either third or fourth place in most studies. She says that's a mark of a competitive market.

By allowing alternative app stores and side-loading, Dunn says Epic Games is asking Apple to turn iOS into Android — removing its competitive advantage. She said that's something neither Apple nor its customers want.

More than that, Dunn also argued that Apple's effective commissions have actually dropped on the App Store. In 2019, the effective commissions for game apps was 8.1%, she said. For all apps, it was 4.7%.

Qualcomm precedent

During the opening statement, Dunn also argued that the Apple v. Epic Games battle is a "duty to deal" case. In other words, she says Epic Games is urging the court to force Apple to license its own intellectual property in a specific way.

Dunn mentioned the Qualcomm precedent, in which the Ninth Circuit rejected a lower court's opinion and concluded that it had erroneously imposed an antitrust duty to deal on Qualcomm.

In other words, the court ruled that Qualcomm has no general duty to deal with competitors. If Epic Games loses the case against Apple, the precedent could prove to be a major challenge to an appeal.

Software costs

Apple also addressed the margin argument brought forth by Epic Games. The "Fortnite" maker, for its part, argued that Apple's commissions are unnecessary because its App Store margins are huge.

Those margin calculations, Apple says, only examine one part of the iOS ecosystem. For example, they don't include the software costs that Apple has to pay to make the App Store function. Some of those costs including developing APIs and other developer tools.

Apple also made it clear that its business model is shared by many other companies, including some that have previously allied with the Epic-adjacent Coalition for App Fairness. That includes Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.

"IF Epic prevails, other ecosystems will fall too," Dunn said.



18 Comments

22july2013 3736 comments · 11 Years

I wonder why Apple didn't make the point that Apple's commission on paid software like Fortnite subsidizes the services given to free software, which is the majority of the software available in the App Store. Apple should go on to say that Epic doesn't want Epic's products' costs to subsidize free apps, in order to reduce competition against Epic, and that Apple may have to require free apps to pay a fee if Apple loses to Epic. Therefore competition and consumers would suffer if Epic wins.

Trey_Lance 98 comments · 3 Years

Epic is so out of line here , which judge even accepted this law suit?

Epic is owned by Tencent, you know that company that also makes these movies that says how great the Chinese government is? And half of the board of Tencent have ties to the current Chinese government?

Hello people?

Trey_Lance 98 comments · 3 Years

I wonder why Apple didn't make the point that Apple's commission on paid software like Fortnite subsidizes the services given to free software, which is the majority of the software available in the App Store. Apple should go on to say that Epic doesn't want Epic's products' costs to subsidize free apps, in order to reduce competition against Epic, and that Apple may have to require free apps to pay a fee if Apple loses to Epic. Therefore competition and consumers would suffer if Epic wins.

If Epic wins, Chinese Government wins

wizard69 13358 comments · 21 Years

Epic is so out of line here , which judge even accepted this law suit?

Epic is owned by Tencent, you know that company that also makes these movies that says how great the Chinese government is? And half of the board of Tencent have ties to the current Chinese government?

Hello people?

This is bullshit as you try to use the horrors of China to deflect from the real issues Apples practices create.   If Epic wins it will be a win for all developers and users of the iOS ecosystem.    Right now Apple has a creatively stacked deck of cards that always generates a winner for them.   Frankly if you combine the issues with App Store and the other anti competitive practices Apple engages in and you will see that Apple is going to have a very tough going in the next few years as governments world wide crack down.   Apple has just gone off the deep end trying to create a world in their image forgetting that many don't have the same views as them.   One of those views is the fairness when it comes to how App store is managed.

Frankly Apple is using some of he same idiotic excuses, that only the extremely gullible accept, that they use to fight right to repair.    In the end Apples motivations are planned obsolescence and getting a cut of every commercial app that runs on its devices.    It can be likened to Ford demanding 30% from every gas station when you fill up your tank.   It isn't something most Americans would feel comfortable with and frankly is against the law.   I just don't see Apple having a leg to stand on especially if one looks deep into existing law and what has traditionally been accepted business practice.

nubus 627 comments · 8 Years

If Epic/Tencent doesn't win, then China could decide on their own to demand an alternative AppStore for iPhone in China.
The largest Android app store in China is not from Google but... Tencent.