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Apple managers were conflicted over App Store ads before launch

Internal Apple emails surfaced in the Epic Games v. Apple trial show some of the company debate surrounding Search Ads on the App Store, including how it could be at odds with Apple's public messaging.

The discussion, which took place in February 2015, was between Apple engineer David Neumann and Fraud Engineering Algorithms and Risk head Eric Friedman. They took place more than a year before Apple actually rolled out search ads in 2016.

The debate kicked off when Neumann emailed Friedman a link to a Google announcement concerning ads in the Google Play store. "Boy, I sure wish we could do this," Neumann said in the email thread presented as an exhibit in the trial, which was first spotted by 9to5Mac.

"Yes, the ability to pay for promotion would be awesome. We've floated it several times as the way to end chart gaming: if people are willing to pay "marketing companies" (bot nets) to gain position, why don't we just let them pay us to gain position?" Friedman wrote in response.

"No one is willing to take that on, however. I suppose it would get pretty cheesy, but at least it would be transparently cheesy," Friedman continued.

Friedman went on to state that he was convinced that App Store charts aren't really a discovery tool. Instead, he said he believed the primary function is "inside baseball" — or a chart to let developers know which apps are on top.

Neumann said that Apple could post an essay about App Store discovery to explain why it would be launching Search Ads. However, Friedman cautioned that Apple CEO Tim Cook's public stance on monetization would need to be taken into account.

"The devs would love it. The problem is that Tim is telling the world that we make great products without monetizing users. Ads would be weirdly at odds with that. I do think that search and explore are much better discovery tools. Also popularity alone is a stupid ranking function for the App Store. It's fine for music (though fuse is about to unleash a torrent of fakery there, too)."

But in the App Store I don't only want to know what is popular. I want apps that are high quality, well looked after by engaged developers, and retained (because useful) by other users. Being popular within a category is a nice to have and should mostly correlate with the other values I described.

Apple eventually launched Search Ads on the App Store in October 2016. Since then, it has steadily expanded the availability of the tool.

On Tuesday, the Cupertino tech giant also introduced a new, more prominent advertising slot in App Store searches.



14 Comments

bageljoey 18 Years · 1997 comments

Sounds like a reasonable discussion. Don’t see anything off-putting there…

DAalseth 6 Years · 3067 comments

Ads in the app store suck. I’m searching for an app by name. Just show me the damn thing. 

dewme 10 Years · 5775 comments

Isn’t the Today page already just a collection of ads? Why not simply put a “For You” grouping of app ads on the Today page in addition to hiding ads for apps I already own on the Today page. 

At least we can turn these ads off in Settings

mac_dog 16 Years · 1084 comments

Friedman would have been fired by Steve Jobs. Steve was all about his product first and hiring people of the same mind. Tells me a little something of the Apple standard.

EsquireCats 8 Years · 1268 comments

Being pro-privacy isn't being anti-advertising. This misunderstands just how extreme data gathering and tracking is on the internet.

Getting relevant ad-results based on your search isn't creepy tracking. What is creepy is advertisers following you around the internet after targeting you based on nothing more than messages you've exchanged "privately" over instagram, facebook, whatsapp or gmail/google services.