Apple teases return of 'The Problem with Jon Stewart' with new video

Ya either love him or you hate him.

Jon S. can be so perfect in informing one minute, and the next minute be a little annoying. 

I was a big fan of his when he was on The Daily Show.  I watched it religiously.  When I watch now, I feel like his moment has sort of passed.  Maybe I'm better informed now, or maybe the plight of the country feels a lot more serious now, or maybe he's lost a step, but nothing feels particularly insightful, original, or clever anymore.

larrya said:

I was a big fan of his when he was on The Daily Show.  I watched it religiously.  When I watch now, I feel like his moment has sort of passed.  Maybe I'm better informed now, or maybe the plight of the country feels a lot more serious now, or maybe he's lost a step, but nothing feels particularly insightful, original, or clever anymore.

The Daily Show had a lot of writers behind the scenes including people like John Oliver, Colbert:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Daily_Show_writers
https://www.salon.com/2012/12/11/jon_stewart_almost_quit_the_daily_show_because_staff_was_insane/
https://www.vulture.com/2010/09/how_a_daily_show_segment_gets.html

These shows come across like it's the main presenter coming up with the material just like it seems actors in comedy shows come up with their lines but take the quality writers away and there's not enough material.

On his own, Jon Stewart can be insightful about topics he cares about and has thought long about. When it comes to long episodes of current affairs, there needs to be a strong team of writers to come up with a high volume of material.

John Oliver's show suffered the same problem. When he first started on his own after The Daily Show, his show was decent. Then the material started to thin out and eventually they have to resort to slapstick routines and pandering to their core audience bias.

I think the biggest problems these shows suffer from is when they just echo the feelings of their core audience. This is fine for the trained seals that want to clap along but it's empty rhetoric and people get tired of the fake sentiment. It's especially bad when they make it all about mocking the other political side and then their side gets into power because there's a lot less that they want to be critical of.

A lot of people on the Daily Show went separate ways and it diluted all of it. Trevor Noah's show is a trainwreck and the extras from the Daily Show are getting a fraction of the audience each:

https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/daily-show-ratings-plummet-trevor-noah/

The biggest draw comes from the more mainstream hosts like Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert. They do celebrity interviews and this is what people tune in for:

https://www.youtube.com/c/ColbertLateShow/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
https://www.youtube.com/c/fallontonight/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
https://www.youtube.com/jkl/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

Jon Stewart's new stuff is all serious discussion, very little entertainment:

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheProblemWithJonStewart/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

The trouble is, the more a show swings towards entertainment it loses credibility as a political show. Bill Maher's show is one of the best political shows and it has a strong, durable format that maintains the comedy element. If the others want more viewers, they should either consolidate or add more mainstream segments. I don't expect them to do balanced politics because it's hard to pull that off and with such tribal mentality these days, it's very easy to lose a core audience.

Marvin said:

larrya said:

I was a big fan of his when he was on The Daily Show.  I watched it religiously.  When I watch now, I feel like his moment has sort of passed.  Maybe I'm better informed now, or maybe the plight of the country feels a lot more serious now, or maybe he's lost a step, but nothing feels particularly insightful, original, or clever anymore.

The Daily Show had a lot of writers behind the scenes including people like John Oliver, Colbert:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Daily_Show_writers
https://www.salon.com/2012/12/11/jon_stewart_almost_quit_the_daily_show_because_staff_was_insane/
https://www.vulture.com/2010/09/how_a_daily_show_segment_gets.html

These shows come across like it's the main presenter coming up with the material just like it seems actors in comedy shows come up with their lines but take the quality writers away and there's not enough material.

On his own, Jon Stewart can be insightful about topics he cares about and has thought long about. When it comes to long episodes of current affairs, there needs to be a strong team of writers to come up with a high volume of material.

John Oliver's show suffered the same problem. When he first started on his own after The Daily Show, his show was decent. Then the material started to thin out and eventually they have to resort to slapstick routines and pandering to their core audience bias.

I think the biggest problems these shows suffer from is when they just echo the feelings of their core audience. This is fine for the trained seals that want to clap along but it's empty rhetoric and people get tired of the fake sentiment. It's especially bad when they make it all about mocking the other political side and then their side gets into power because there's a lot less that they want to be critical of.

A lot of people on the Daily Show went separate ways and it diluted all of it. Trevor Noah's show is a trainwreck and the extras from the Daily Show are getting a fraction of the audience each:

https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/daily-show-ratings-plummet-trevor-noah/

The biggest draw comes from the more mainstream hosts like Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert. They do celebrity interviews and this is what people tune in for:

https://www.youtube.com/c/ColbertLateShow/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
https://www.youtube.com/c/fallontonight/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid
https://www.youtube.com/jkl/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

Jon Stewart's new stuff is all serious discussion, very little entertainment:

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheProblemWithJonStewart/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid

The trouble is, the more a show swings towards entertainment it loses credibility as a political show. Bill Maher's show is one of the best political shows and it has a strong, durable format that maintains the comedy element. If the others want more viewers, they should either consolidate or add more mainstream segments. I don't expect them to do balanced politics because it's hard to pull that off and with such tribal mentality these days, it's very easy to lose a core audience.

Good points!

I think one that consistently pulls it off is SNL Weekend Update.

They manage to spear everybody, even themselves, with humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzEqrKVLDwg