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Rumor: Control of user data railroaded 'Project Titan' talks between Apple and BMW, Daimler

Apple was said to be involved in negotiations with automakers BMW and Daimler, but discussions fell apart because the parties couldn't agree on who would own and protect the data associated with a connected, self-driving car.

Sources who spoke with Germany's Handelsblatt suggested that user privacy may have been a key sticking point between Apple and the carmakers. It was said Apple wanted its own secure iCloud software to be used for data, while the German companies sought to protect customer data themselves.

Apple has had similar disputes in the past, both with wireless carriers and with partners like Google. A fallout with the latter led Apple to build its own mapping service, rather than share customer data with Google.

User security has since become something of a key selling point for Apple's products, with the company repeatedly vowing to protect user data, not sell it. Rivals and partners such as Google and Facebook rely almost exclusively on collecting user data for selling ads.

As for Apple's automotive project, the so-called "Project Titan" is said to be focused on German technology, via an office in Berlin, according to Handelsblatt. With Daimler and BMW apparently out of the picture, Apple's next best target is said to be Magna.

Reports from earlier this week revealed Apple's secret car lab in Berlin keeps a small team of 15 to 20 employees. They are said to be tasked with imagining and realizing vehicles of the future.

Thursday's report described "Project Titan" as a "highly-networked electric car that would also be at least partially self-driving."

BMW has previously expressed caution about sharing information with companies like Apple, out of worry that it might effectively become just another supplier. However, technologies like self-driving systems might demand help from outside parties such as Apple and Google, which are more familiar with software.

Apple and BMW were previously revealed to have held talks about a potential partnership, though it was said that the two parties were not close to an agreement.

In an exclusive report detailing Apple's automotive project last year, AppleInsider revealed "Titan" was operating out of a top secret facility close to the company's campus in Cupertino, Calif. Subsequent reports estimate Apple's stateside team now consists of well over 1,000 employees, including a number of high-profile industry hires. However, AppleInsider sources in February said executives were disappointed with the group's slow progress, prompting a temporary hiring freeze.



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mtbnut 9 Years · 199 comments

Seems suspect, especially this early on in the project. That's like canning the project now because they couldn't decide on carpet color for the waiting lounge in the dealerships that will be built in 2023. 

jm6032 16 Years · 147 comments

  "Railroaded?" Shouldn't that be "Derailed?"

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rob53 14 Years · 3321 comments

mtbnut said:
Seems suspect, especially this early on in the project. That's like canning the project now because they couldn't decide on carpet color for the waiting lounge in the dealerships that will be built in 2023. 

It might be early but Apple might as well put its critical marbles on the table in the beginning. Since user data is something lots of companies want to have because it can be worth more money in both the short and long term than the actual product they're selling, Apple needs to be up front and demand that user's data is not subject to compromise and certainly not for sale. I want, no I DEMAND, that Apple protect all my data and not let anyone else have access to it. I don't want ads showing up on my auto informational screen, I only want information about the operation of my car and, if my iPhone is plugged in via CarPlay, what I choose to see and access via my iPhone. I just saw an ad for a small car that touted it has the most electronics of anything in its size. I don't want a lot of unnecessary electronics in my car, I want it to run well and not have issues every time there's a stinking computer problem. Keep it simple, make it economical and green to run, and have almost no maintenance. That's my ideal car.

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sirlance99 12 Years · 1301 comments

sog35 said:
Good. Apple is better off building a car without legacy companies.

Its like Apple colaborating with Blackberry in 2007 to build the iPhone. They would only get in the way of progress.

Here is how Apple will change the car game:

Your commute to work won't be a torture chamber.
It will be something you look forward too and will enjoy.
How will Apple do that? I have no idea. But that is the goal. 

BMW and for that matter Mercedes are not legacy companies and no where near the likes of what happened to BlackBerry.

I look forward to getting into my Mercedes when I go to work. If I had a BMW, I'd suspect the same thing. The likes of BMW and Mercedes will still be around long after if/when Apple makes any thing that's a car. These brands pretty much invent almost all car tech that eventually becomes standard in all cars. 

Plus, Mercedes already has a self driving fleet and is well advanced in research in this area.

It's not like all of a sudden everyone will buy a Apple car and everyone else will go out of business. Not even close.

I do hope Apple does come out with something as I'd be highly interested in what they have to offer but,  for me, it Mercedes and Tesla.

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fallenjt 14 Years · 4056 comments

sog35 said:
Good. Apple is better off building a car without legacy companies.

Its like Apple colaborating with Blackberry in 2007 to build the iPhone. They would only get in the way of progress.

Here is how Apple will change the car game:

Your commute to work won't be a torture chamber.
It will be something you look forward too and will enjoy.
How will Apple do that? I have no idea. But that is the goal. 
BMW and for that matter Mercedes are not legacy companies and no where near the likes of what happened to BlackBerry.

I look forward to getting into my Mercedes when I go to work. If I had a BMW, I'd suspect the same thing. The likes of BMW and Mercedes will still be around long after if/when Apple makes any thing that's a car. These brands pretty much invent almost all car tech that eventually becomes standard in all cars. 

Plus, Mercedes already has a self driving fleet and is well advanced in research in this area.

It's not like all of a sudden everyone will buy a Apple car and everyone else will go out of business. Not even close.

I do hope Apple does come out with something as I'd be highly interested in what they have to offer but,  for me, it Mercedes and Tesla.

Well, Daimler alread concerned on their S-Class being outsold by Tesla Model S in their own back yard. Yup, look at data on 2015 sale in Germany. If Merc, BMW don't move forward with EV, their "Blackberry " day will come.

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