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Optimistic note sounded on Apple's earnings, with concerns about Q3 guidance & 5G iPhone wait

As expected, a $58 billion earnings result that beat Wall Street consensus are driving analysts to discuss Apple's future, with eyes focused on a higher than expected revenue range for the third fiscal quarter, and ongoing concern about iPhone sales.

Bernstein

"Apple's fiscal Q2 was fine," wrote Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi. A 5 percent revenue decline was "consistent with expectations," he noted, and earnings per share (EPS) was 10 cents over consensus but in line with Bernstein estimates.

"Most importantly, Apple's Q3 revenue guidance was much better than expected, at $52.5-54.5B vs. our expectation of $50-52B (and consensus at $52.1B)," Sacconaghi said. This guidance is allegedly "credible" but worthy of skepticism, as it "implies the most benign sequential Q3 iPhone revenue decline in history...right after Apple just experienced the worst Q2 sequential iPhone revenue decline in history."

The firm expects Apple's real-world Q3 revenue to slot in at $53.3 billion, and is holding to a "market perform" rating with a $190 stock target.

Piper Jaffray

Michael Olson remarked on "strong fundamental performance," but said that Piper expects "limited excitement around this year's iPhone launches." Investors will probably be placated, he continued, by healthy services revenue until "anticipation for 5G iPhones begins to build" in the second half of 2019.

Olson is giving Apple stock an "overweight" rating and raising his target from $201 to $230.

Wedbush

Daniel Ives called Apple CEO Tim Cook "the comeback kid," saying that iPhone demand has "weathered the storm" and is beginning to "rise from the ashes of the December debacle." In contrast with Piper's Olson, Ives pointed to a "healthy product cycle" predicted to arrive this September. The analyst issued an "outperform" rating while raising his target from $225 to $235.

Wells Fargo

"While Apple highlighted the success of its iPhone trade-in program, in part driven by its higher incentives," wrote Aaron Rakers, "we think anticipation of a 5G iPhone in 2020 could impact upgrades." Past reports have suggested 2019 iPhones will be limited to 4G because of slow 5G development by Intel, combined with the Apple v. Qualcomm battle, which only recently ended. Access to 5G networks, where available, may also remain relatively expensive to implement with limited U.S. coverage.

Loup Ventures

"The $75B addition to the buyback was below our $100B expectation, and the 5% dividend increase was below our 16% expectation," said Gene Munster. "Despite that fact, returning capital to investors still represents a lever that could move shares 28% higher over the next five years. This is based on returning $50B per year ($250B total) in cash from operations along with the outstanding $113B in net cash on the balance sheet on their way to 'net cash neutral.'"

Morgan Stanley

"The real surprise" was Apple's June-quarter guidance, according to Katy Huberty, who observed that its predicted 8 percent sequential decline would be well above a normal 13 to 16 percent, and even a Wall Street consensus of 11 percent. The analyst is raising estimates for fiscal 2019 ($257.3 billion) and 2020 ($264.4 billion) revenue, and a price target from $234 to $240, citing factors like recovering iPhone sales and growing services revenue that investors "underappreciate."



16 Comments

knowitall 11 Years · 1648 comments

There is no logic in predicting (Apple) results.

robjn 8 Years · 283 comments

These financial analysts think 5G is going to be the next big thing.

I think they are wrong for 3 reasons.

1) 5G offers no known new application to give added user value. For example, LTE was big because it enabled the ability to stream video etc. but 5G does not enable any new functionality to the user apart from saying everything will be faster.

2) 5G does not work over medium or long distances and telecom executives say it will “never exist outside of cities”. So no new technology or service will be able to rely on 5G speeds if it is to work in rural areas.

3) 5G promises to be inefficient, make devices run hot and drain batteries much quicker. As devices heat up, processors will get throttled and the overall user experience on 5G will be worse and sometimes even feel slower than LTE.

Now faster speeds when your in densely populated areas would be a good upgrade once the chips can meet a certain standard of efficiency. But 5G is certain not going to drive a smartphone super sales cycle. These days, people in general upgrade when their phone breaks and not just for new technologies.

I think Tim was smart to “punt” Katie Huberty’s question. I think he’s smart enough, and user experienced focused enough, to have some degree of skepticism about the early 5G experience and real world user benefits. And equally smart enough to keep such thoughts to himself.

leavingthebigg 11 Years · 1291 comments

The pro-5G analysts continue to think people are falling for the 5G scam. Many people are aware of AT&T’s 5GE fake out and are aware of the limited, problematic and expensive availability of 5G beyond 2020. 

Unsurprisingly, none of the above analysts are talking about the direct-license agreement between Apple and Qualcomm which removes Qualcomm’s ability to earn money from Apple’s suppliers for Apple’s products. 

The same goes for Apple’s license costs. A clear indication of those costs were provided yesterday.

Why are the analysts being silent about these announcements?

jimh2 8 Years · 670 comments

robjn said:
These financial analysts think 5G is going to be the next big thing.

I think they are wrong for 3 reasons.

1) 5G offers no known new application to give added user value. For example, LTE was big because it enabled the ability to stream video etc. but 5G does not enable any new functionality to the user apart from saying everything will be faster.

2) 5G does not work over medium or long distances and telecom executives say it will “never exist outside of cities”. So no new technology or service will be able to rely on 5G speeds if it is to work in rural areas.

3) 5G promises to be inefficient, make devices run hot and drain batteries much quicker. As devices heat up, processors will get throttled and the overall user experience on 5G will be worse and sometimes even feel slower than LTE.

Now faster speeds when your in densely populated areas would be a good upgrade once the chips can meet a certain standard of efficiency. But 5G is certain not going to drive a smartphone super sales cycle. These days, people in general upgrade when their phone breaks and not just for new technologies.

I think Tim was smart to “punt” Katie Huberty’s question. I think he’s smart enough, and user experienced focused enough, to have some degree of skepticism about the early 5G experience and real world user benefits. And equally smart enough to keep such thoughts to himself.

+1 on everything you said especially #1. Up until now there was a need for faster service and that need was met with LTE. Ever since dialup modems we have been one step beyond speed wise whether it be pictures, songs, videos and streaming. My brother-in-law is installing the 5G antennas and related hardware and I keep asking him what applications will use it and I can't get a single example other than the smoke everyone has been blowing about it. I'm going to equate this to getting a car that can go 120mph versus one that go 200mph. The speed difference has no bearing on driving. One might have better acceleration (your video starts a few seconds quicker), but once at 80mph both are tapped out for usefulness. Sure the one can go 200mph is significantly faster, but the speed offers little to no advantage. I will add that cars are not the best comparison as style, performance and handling help a person decide what fits their needs even if they can't use all of what they are paying for.