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Apple executives talk M1 chip, macOS Big Sur redesign, and more

A trio of Apple executives sat down to discuss the first Apple Silicon M1 chip, the possibility of a touchscreen Mac, and more in a new interview.

Just a couple of days after Apple unveiled the M1 chip at its Nov. 10 event, The Independent spoke with Apple software chief Craig Federighi, hardware engineering chief John Ternus, and marketing chief Greg Joswiak about a variety of Apple Silicon- and macOS Big Sur-related topics.

On the performance of the M1, for example, Joswiak and Federighi told The Independent that they almost "couldn't believe" the type of power Apple's hardware team was able to achieve.

"We overshot," Federighi said. "You have these projects where, sometimes you have a goal and you're like, well, we got close, that was fine'. This one, part of what has us all just bouncing off the walls here - just smiling - is that as we brought the pieces together, we're like, this is working better than we even thought it would."

Ternus added that as the development momentum built, the team realized that the chip was doing thing that they hadn't expected.

"We started getting back our battery life numbers, and we're like, You're kidding. I thought we had people that knew how to estimate these things," Federighi said.

As far as the branding of the M1 chip, Joswiak said the "M-series" "makes a lot of sense for a Mac chip." He added that the letter "A" was started as the first chips from Apple, but after that family of silicon, the company started using letters that made sense — such as "H" for headphones.

When asked about how the MacBook Air and the 13-inch MacBook Pro are differentiated, Federighi pointed out that the Pro model notebook has a cooling system, and explained that the more cooling these devices have, the faster they become.

On the note of the new Macs, Ternus said it didn't make much sense to "just go and change the design just for the sake of changing a design." Hence why the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac mini models appear roughly identical to their Intel counterparts.

"I think these systems do make a statement of like: Look, look at what's possible with M1 and with all our technologies. I think they're a tremendous foundation for for this transition, just to start with M1," Ternus said.

The actual switch to Apple Silicon from Intel was a process that was years in the making, Federighi said. But, of course, it's not the first architecture transition that Apple has made for its Macs.

"We've done this before," the Apple VP said. "We've watched others in the industry do it in the meantime, not so successfully. But we've, I believe, really perfected these sorts of transitions, we know exactly how to handle the tools to make it really easy for developers."

Federighi was also asked about rumors of a move to touchscreen for macOS, and he downplayed — but didn't outright deny — those rumors.

The Apple software chief explained that, despite its similarities to iOS and iPadOS, macOS Big Sur wasn't designed with touch in mind. Instead, it was created "in a way that felt most comfortable and natural to us, not remotely considering something about touch."

"We're living with iPads, we're living with phones, our own sense of the aesthetic - the sort of openness and airiness of the interface - the fact that these devices have large retina displays now. All of these things led us to the design for the Mac, that felt to us most comfortable, actually in no way related to touch," Federighi said.

The full interview contains some more details and tidbits, and can be found here.



8 Comments

StrangeDays 8 Years · 12986 comments

On the note of the new Macs, Ternus said it didn't make much sense to "just go and change the design just for the sake of changing a design." Hence why the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac mini models appear roughly identical to their Intel counterparts.

People often say they wish they had changed the shape of the tool because they're bored and want change for change's sake, but Apple has said so many times they don't do that. Here they say it again.

JWSC 7 Years · 1203 comments

On the note of the new Macs, Ternus said it didn't make much sense to "just go and change the design just for the sake of changing a design." Hence why the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac mini models appear roughly identical to their Intel counterparts.
People often say they wish they had changed the shape of the tool because they're bored and want change for change's sake, but Apple has said so many times they don't do that. Here they say it again.

All true.  But another reason not to change the form factor at this time is to make users feel comfortable about the transition.  The underlying message is that “this is the same MacBook you know and love” even though it’s a very different machine on the inside.

The CCA parts reduction will provide the industrial design team opportunities to rethink the form factor, and I’m sure they are doing so.  We’ll likely see significant physical design changes before the two year transition period is complete.

sflocal 16 Years · 6138 comments

JWSC said:
On the note of the new Macs, Ternus said it didn't make much sense to "just go and change the design just for the sake of changing a design." Hence why the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac mini models appear roughly identical to their Intel counterparts.
People often say they wish they had changed the shape of the tool because they're bored and want change for change's sake, but Apple has said so many times they don't do that. Here they say it again.
All true.  But another reason not to change the form factor at this time is to make users feel comfortable about the transition.  The underlying message is that “this is the same MacBook you know and love” even though it’s a very different machine on the inside.

The CCA parts reduction will provide the industrial design team opportunities to rethink the form factor, and I’m sure they are doing so.  We’ll likely see significant physical design changes before the two year transition period is complete.

It irks me when people demand a design change, with no real reason as to why.  It's very naive, and shortsighted.  "Because it's old" is not an excuse.  There has to be a reason for it that makes sense.


There's no mistake though... Apple will begin changing the designs of the laptops and iMacs.  I'm sure they have something already in the pipeline.  I suspect the iMac will look like a giant iPad, and sealed like one too.  With the M1 containing RAM in the chip itself, there will be no reason really (other than SSD) to crack open an iMac.  In addition, the lower thermals will mean a much thinner chassis.  These are solid reason for a design change.

commentzilla 10 Years · 777 comments

Thinner, thinner, thinner! Other than an edge-to-edge or touch screen display its hard to see what else they change which would be meaningful. Carbon fiber? But that doesn't seem like Apple's style. 1080p camera!

Rayz2016 8 Years · 6957 comments

sflocal said:
JWSC said:
On the note of the new Macs, Ternus said it didn't make much sense to "just go and change the design just for the sake of changing a design." Hence why the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and Mac mini models appear roughly identical to their Intel counterparts.
People often say they wish they had changed the shape of the tool because they're bored and want change for change's sake, but Apple has said so many times they don't do that. Here they say it again.
All true.  But another reason not to change the form factor at this time is to make users feel comfortable about the transition.  The underlying message is that “this is the same MacBook you know and love” even though it’s a very different machine on the inside.

The CCA parts reduction will provide the industrial design team opportunities to rethink the form factor, and I’m sure they are doing so.  We’ll likely see significant physical design changes before the two year transition period is complete.
It irks me when people demand a design change, with no real reason as to why.  It's very naive, and shortsighted.  "Because it's old" is not an excuse.  There has to be a reason for it that makes sense.

Well, people who put style over substance have had a very disappointing week in general.