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Yep, my next Mac will be the 2020 Intel iMac 5K - I want one last powerful boot campable Mac before buying an ARM iMac. A nice core-i9 with the best Navi 5xxx GPU sounds really sweet, even if the design language stays the same - at least it will be guaranteed to have a RAM door. It should make short work of the 7-10 hour transcode sessions I'm having - that is if brew and gem ever get updated beyond Mojave.

Though I have great faith in the new architecture, I'll take a pass on the initial rocky road towards the transition, and let y'all find the problems and endure the bumpy road for me 😏.

Once the problems are ironed out and there are x86 hypervisors capable of running Windows games at speed, I'll take the plunge. Or if the ARM Macs never get to that point, I'll get an ARM Mac and a cheap Windows gaming machine. Or if AAA games start showing up on ARM Macs I'll go straight to the ARM Mac and forget Windows ever existed 😀. Now that I'm retired, games are the only reason I need Windows compatibility - most Windows-only consumer business apps are drying up and turning into web apps.

I actually do expect the high end ARM iMacs to be at least roughly equivalent to the Intel Mac I intend to get - as long as there are still Apple manufacturing and supply chain facilities left if the Three Gorges Dam lets go. Heck, if there are any tech manufacturers and supply chains left.

verne arase said:

I actually do expect the high end ARM iMacs to be at least roughly equivalent to the Intel Mac I intend to get - as long as there are still Apple manufacturing and supply chain facilities left if the Three Gorges Dam lets go. Heck, if there are any tech manufacturers and supply chains left.

These are the sort of monsters that Apple Silicon is going to have to contend with.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2020/07/17/lenovo-announces-new-thinkstation-workstation-with-amd-threadripper-pro/#4040a3a82509

Intel and AMD are no longer stuck at the core limitations imposed on them by 14nm. Intel will reach 3nm by 2025 and AMD will get there by 2023. If this thing can run 64 cores and 128 threads, can you imagine what a 3nm AMD or Intel chip will be capable of? This is merely one example of why I am taking a "wait and see" approach to those who claim that Apple Silicon can match the best that Intel and AMD are able to offer in their workstation and server class chips.

Now of course, if Apple decides to make their own versions of the chips that are already present in workstations and servers, all bets are off. But the people who think that Apple's smartphone chips are going to be able to hold their own against monsters like this, they are deluding themselves.

linuxplatform said:

verne arase said:

I actually do expect the high end ARM iMacs to be at least roughly equivalent to the Intel Mac I intend to get - as long as there are still Apple manufacturing and supply chain facilities left if the Three Gorges Dam lets go. Heck, if there are any tech manufacturers and supply chains left.

These are the sort of monsters that Apple Silicon is going to have to contend with.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2020/07/17/lenovo-announces-new-thinkstation-workstation-with-amd-threadripper-pro/#4040a3a82509

Intel and AMD are no longer stuck at the core limitations imposed on them by 14nm. Intel will reach 3nm by 2025 and AMD will get there by 2023. If this thing can run 64 cores and 128 threads, can you imagine what a 3nm AMD or Intel chip will be capable of? This is merely one example of why I am taking a "wait and see" approach to those who claim that Apple Silicon can match the best that Intel and AMD are able to offer in their workstation and server class chips.

Now of course, if Apple decides to make their own versions of the chips that are already present in workstations and servers, all bets are off. But the people who think that Apple's smartphone chips are going to be able to hold their own against monsters like this, they are deluding themselves.

Intel is 4 years behind schedule to get to 10nm.  what makes you confident that they'll reach 3nm by 2025. They've lost a lot of credibility at this point.

I really really really want to see Apple News make a broadcast video channel. The only channel that only informs people of the news without opinion. Unbiased, straight-to-the-point, informative world news.

canukstorm said:

linuxplatform said:

verne arase said:

I actually do expect the high end ARM iMacs to be at least roughly equivalent to the Intel Mac I intend to get - as long as there are still Apple manufacturing and supply chain facilities left if the Three Gorges Dam lets go. Heck, if there are any tech manufacturers and supply chains left.

These are the sort of monsters that Apple Silicon is going to have to contend with.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2020/07/17/lenovo-announces-new-thinkstation-workstation-with-amd-threadripper-pro/#4040a3a82509

Intel and AMD are no longer stuck at the core limitations imposed on them by 14nm. Intel will reach 3nm by 2025 and AMD will get there by 2023. If this thing can run 64 cores and 128 threads, can you imagine what a 3nm AMD or Intel chip will be capable of? This is merely one example of why I am taking a "wait and see" approach to those who claim that Apple Silicon can match the best that Intel and AMD are able to offer in their workstation and server class chips.

Now of course, if Apple decides to make their own versions of the chips that are already present in workstations and servers, all bets are off. But the people who think that Apple's smartphone chips are going to be able to hold their own against monsters like this, they are deluding themselves.

Intel is 4 years behind schedule to get to 10nm.  what makes you confident that they'll reach 3nm by 2025. They've lost a lot of credibility at this point.

I get the feeling once they lose Apple who's known to push partners to their limits, they'll fall even more behind and with their richest customer leaving it will be the beginning of the end for Intel.