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Monday, August 12, 2013, 06:19 pm PT (09:19 pm ET)

Larry Ellison sees dismal future for Apple without Steve Jobs

In an interview with Charlie Rose set to air on Tuesday, Oracle CEO Larry Ellison gave a bleak outlook when asked how Apple will fare without his close friend Steve Jobs at the reins.

Larry Ellison

Source: CBS


A short snippet of the "This Morning" segment was released on Monday by CBS, showing Ellison alluding to an anticipated dark time for the Cupertino, Calif., company.

Rose asked the tech mogul to share his thoughts on what Apple will become without Jobs. Ellison said "we already know."

"We saw — we conducted the experiment," Ellison explained. "I mean, it's been done. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. We saw Apple without Steve Jobs. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. Now, we're gonna see Apple without Steve Jobs."

Each time Ellison described Apple with Jobs, he gestured up with his hand; without Jobs, a trough. While not specifically stated, Ellison is most likely referring to Apple's founding in 1976, Jobs' ousting by John Sculley in 1985, and the visionary's return in 1997.

When Rose asked what enabled Jobs, besides his love of and dedication to Apple, to make the company successful, Ellison said, "He was, he was brilliant. I mean, he was our Edison. He was our Picasso. He was an incredible inventor."