Apple's WWDC 25 may change not just the numbering but also absolutely everything about how macOS, iOS, and iPadOS feel, Nothing's CEO says Apple has lost all creativity, and yet more tariff drama, all on this' week's episode of the AppleInsider Podcast.

We're so close now to WWDC that more details appear to be leaking out, including the surprise news that Apple may renumber all of its operating systems so that they have the same, consistent branding. It turns out that it's 12 years since Apple started naming macOS with Californian placenames — and for about 11 years before that, it was using cat names. So maybe it's time.

It definitely is not the time for Nothing CEO's vision of the future, but he insists that in less than a decade, all apps will be gone, replaced by a single AI on a (presumably) Nothing phone. And back somewhere closer to the real world, future iPhones are now rumored to feature 200 megapixel cameras, but we break down why that's not something to get excited about just yet.

That's all in the future, but this week also saw major developments regarding Trump's tariffs against Apple and other US firms. We explain much of the turmoil in the podcast's Controversy Corner, but note that even since the recording late Thursday afternoon, the situation has changed still further.

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